I'm not sure why you said this considering I have 4 set bonus t6 and still have better stats than you...(Maybe you shouldn't make comments like that when your gear leaves much to be desired.)

If you dont want to theorycraft, dont come to a theorycrafting forum, we care little for expereince unless it has been done in a proper and systematic manner. We arent bothered about the gear people wear, though if they are doing obviously dumb things with their gear we will tend to ignore their comments. Good gear doesnt give you more authority in a thread based around math and simulation.

In short, the fact you have better gear doesnt mean that what you have to say if of greater value in this thread, infact from the fact you are wearing 4piece T6 we are less likely to pay any attention to your comments than the person you tried to belittle.

I think you misunderstood my post, my point was that someone shouldn't be talking about gear when this thread is about ele/enhc vs resto/enhc.

Going through the thread to collect all the rationale for Malan's write up, I noticed this. Now that Yo's sim does accomodate single points of each elem talent (Concussion, CoF, Reverb), would this still be worthwhile?

Hmm. I'm done with NG, CoF, and Concussion (along with the three spec options and the baseline), but when testing Reverb point by point, I'm getting some very odd results. As an aside, expect a ghetto .xls sometime soon with the combined testing results, Malan.

With only 1 point in reverb, I'm taking the FLOOR(120/(6-0.2*n),1), where n = # of points in Reverberation, and using that as the number of shocks per 2 minutes. Additionally, I'm selecting the number of points in Reverberation from the drop down list.

I have no idea why, but the DPS output is decreasing from the baseline (not a single thing else was altered, double and triple checked).

Any idea what's going on? Yo, if you're reading, can you chime in?

What happens if you don't select Reverb in the drop down list, can you just increase the number of shocks per 2 min? We need to know if the sim is actually checking to see if you enter more shocks then is possible over the 2 minutes or if Yo is actually modeling the shock cooldown using the Reverb selection.

There's definitely something screwy going on. I just used the default values Yo's sim pops up with, and set the shocks to 20 to get a baseline. After that, I selected 5/5 reverberation, changed nothing else, and noticed an approximate 25 dps decrease, despite changing no stat value, no buff, and keeping the shocks constant at 20 per 2 mins.

The reverse case didn't affect the DPS though. I set shocks to 24, deselected Reverberation (0/5), and got the same DPS as the initial baseline. So I'm assuming there's a check against the number of shocks input, but I'm not certain how the drop down list is working at this point.

On the bright side, Concussion and CoF seemed to be working as expected during my testing yesterday.

Reverbation eat last tick of flame shock in Yo's sim.

Some WWStats from my guild's latest efforts in Brutallus of Sunwell Plateau.

21st April, after our 4th try on brutallus i swapped back to elemental 16/enhancement 45 spec (my current one) and i believe i did better dps. The lack of curse of recklessness and absence at some tries of retribution paladin really affected melee dps alot.
Wow Web Stats

22nd April, almost all possible melee buffs on me and most debuffs on brutallus. We seldom had fairy fire as our druid was very busy healing burnt people. We were all very sad to wipe at 28k hp left of brutalus, seems some casters didn't use as they were told, the destruction potions and all possible elixirs/flasks they should have used .
Wow Web Stats (my dps must be higher as i don't see searing totem dps added at all, unlike 21st April's WWStats)

I am posting these WWStats links to show the elemental 16/ enhancement 45 talent set DPS possibilities.
You can see this spec (pretty common) here. Voskopoula <Sons of Temujin> Kazzak. I expect to do more dps at next tries as I have acquired tier6 bracers and thus i am able to use Midnight chestguard over Tier6 chest. I do believe some dps more can be pulled out in average .

At all fights i totem twisted with the rotation in 10seconds of [Stormstrike-Flameshock-Totemtwist-Earthshock], except the first tries where i was testing as Enhancement/restoration talent set.

Here is what I found using Yo!s sim

Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator (c) Yo

Using this sim and my personal stats I came out with an average dps of 1370 for 2/45/14 and 1397 for 16/45/0. My stats were as follows:
Str - 299
Agi - 341
Weapon DPS - 97.5/96.5
Haste - 0
Hit - 9.13% (this is pre talents, so 15.13% ele and 18.13 resto)
Crit - 30.37%
AP - 1546
MH/OH Expertise 10 (equals a 2 rating, but the sim doesn't want the rating number)
Armor Pen - 427

For other sections I have crusader on my OH (yes I am cheap), no meta (I need a better helm as I am currently using the one from ZA), Crusade for trinket 1 and abacus for trinket 2. Average number of shocks was 18 as resto and 24 as elemental. In the buffs/debuffs the only things I changed is I put drums to 2 and I put the potion to none.

So as you can see from the sim it shows ele is higher dps, although only by 27dps at my gear level. HOWEVER this assumes you can attack a mob (aka be in melee range) 100% of the time. In most battles you have to move away, but your searing totem will still be in range and you can often still shock the boss. Due to the fact that ele increases the damage that you do while away from the boss (something that sims don't account for) that is probably why in-game I saw closer to a 50-75dps increase when I was ele vs resto. Sadly I do not have the WWS reports showing the sudden increase in dps, but it was noticeable and people in the raid even commented on it (I know not worth much here where it's all about proving the data and words without spreadsheets or in game data don't "prove" anything). I would love to test it out more in 2 different raids but I have moved out of the states and can no longer raid with my guild on a regular basis.

I thought we covered this before. To be blunt, no one cares about your WWS. We're interested in testing in controlled environments. Each person's WWS will have too many variables that we can't control (e.g., # of bloodlusts, # of drums, presence of a ret paladin).

And since Sebudai's WWS is showing the DPS possibilities of the enh/resto spec of up to 300ish more DPS, does that mean it's superior?