Rawr (v2.2.27 released on 11/9) - Page 51

Nodrak · 11/12/08, 12:49 PM

Thanks for the clarification, seems a bit odd on blizzard's end though.

• frmorrison · 11/12/08, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by Nodrak

Thanks for the clarification, seems a bit odd on blizzard's end though.

It is because of the imperfect conversion between healing and spell power. The healing bracer converted was 16 damage vs 15 from the damage enchant, however the glove enchant converted was 19 damage vs 20 damage from the normal enchant.

A few spell damage difference doesn't matter (+3) for old enchants.

I am looking forward to the new release with the load from Wowhead button!

• Astrylian · 11/12/08, 11:45 PM

Download - Rawr - Release: Rawr 2.1

Rawr is now designed for use with WoW 3.0, primarily for characters up to level 80. Some things to note:
•We're not done. We've included only the models that have been updated for WoW 3.0; older models are available via our source control only, since they're not of much use until they get updated.
•To help you stay updated with the latest changes, Rawr will now check for new available updates, notify you if there's a newer version, and offer to open Rawr's website for you.
•We now have support for loading item data from Wowhead. Please note that the Wowhead parsing is brand new, so there are bound to be bugs. Please report any bugs you find, and we'll try to get them fixed asap.

Recent Changes:
v2.1: Updated for level 80 content. Removed models which haven't yet been updated for WoW 3.0. Added two brand new models: Enhance and DPSDK! Welcome to Rawr, Enhancement Shamans and DPS Death Knights!

Here's a quick rundown of the status of each model:
•Rawr.Base: Fully functional. Still want to implement a global interface for glyphs, but they're left up to each model for now.
•Rawr.Bear: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.Cat: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.DPSDK: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.DPSWarr: Not updated for 3.0.
•Rawr.Enhance: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.Healadin: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.HolyPriest: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.Hunter: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.Mage: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.Moonkin: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.ProtWarr: Partially updated for 3.0 & level 80.
•Rawr.RestoSham: Not updated for 3.0.
•Rawr.Retribution: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.Rogue: Not updated for 3.0.
•Rawr.ShadowPriest: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.Tankadin: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.Tree: Fully functional for level 80.
•Rawr.Warlock: Not updated for 3.0.

RareBeast · 11/13/08, 3:42 AM

Hi Astrylian,

Was just playing around with RawrKitty. I loaded my level 70 druid from armory (I know Rawr is for 80's) just to have a look at the changes. I did a quick "select" of all my gear, enchants & gems and did an optimise. Looking in the "relative stat values" tab, it shows the value of Hit & Expertise as zero and my optimised gear came out with 28 hit and no expertise.

I did another run with a manually created character and selected the best 5 items in each slot. After optimising, it still gives hit & expertise zero value despite only having 126 hit rating and 30 expertise rating.

Additionally, the Avoided Attacks, Crit Chance, Attack Speed and Armor Mitigation all read 0% (0sec for attack speed), although if you mouse over the asterix near avoided attacks it gives the correct % of attacks dodged and missing.

Other than that, Rawr is looking good at the moment - thanks for the work you put in.

RareBeast · 11/13/08, 3:52 AM

Sorry to bother you again.

After running optimiser in RawrBear it shows all stats as only having a mitigation value ie. the bar is all red. There is now blue or green for the survival or threat points. It is showing Strength as the best stat (after weapon damage) which shouldn't be correct.

Also still show zero for hit and expertise. Expertise at least should have some value due to the reduced occurrence of increasing the bosses swing timer after a parry.

Thanks

• Astrylian · 11/13/08, 4:44 AM

Please send me the character files in question.

Light4 · 11/13/08, 8:03 PM

I can't load my character from armory. I get the following error message:

Step Name: Get Character
Description: Rawr encountered an error retrieving the Character - Daisy@EU-Der Rat von Dalaran from the armory
Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Rawr.Armory.GetCharacter(CharacterRegion region, String realm, String name, String[]& itemsOnCharacter)

Something I'm missing?

Bluegene · 11/13/08, 9:05 PM

Somehow in the 2.1 download pack, DpsDK and Enhancement shaman model dll are not included although in your note says they are fully functional in 3.0.

I downloaded the source code, in release compile mode the path for these 2 dlls are not set to data directory where in debug mode they are set properly.

Skiace · 11/13/08, 9:27 PM

Originally Posted by Bluegene

Somehow in the 2.1 download pack, DpsDK and Enhancement shaman model dll are not included although in your note says they are fully functional in 3.0.

I downloaded the source code, in release compile mode the path for these 2 dlls are not set to data directory where in debug mode they are set properly.

Is there a work around, could someone upload these two dll's for people to pick up manually for now?

Babathong · 11/13/08, 11:48 PM

Ok I am running into a slight issue here. Im no computer whiz, but I generally know how to do things on my PC. I am unable to unzip and install the RAWR file on my home PC. I have no idea why but after I unzip the file and go to run it, it tells me there is some weird error and the program wont run.

I have RAWR on my work PC and it works fine, it always have. If anyone has any advice for some sort of settings I can change or anything I can do differently to get this to work Id appreciate it. Thank you.

Kris · 11/14/08, 3:43 AM

Install .NET at home, can't run RAWR without it.

Valerys · 11/14/08, 4:12 AM

The Retribution module gives you the attack target level options of 70-73 even though it's supposed to be level 80. Also it appears to be calculating ratings (hit, crit) based on level 70 conversions.

EDIT: Also Relentless Earthsiege Diamond is bugged and shows 0.03 to % crit heal rather than damage.

Roywyn · 11/14/08, 6:55 AM

Show Item Level?

When hovering over an item, would it be possible to show the item level next to the name?
I've been looking for a hidden option or something, but I couldn't find it.

I really like having such an option, makes it easier to pick gear of certain tier or level range.
When it comes to badge gear, just the "Sold by ..." doesn't always help me figure out whether it's more a T4 level or T6 level badge item.

I could just filter the items, but that's not what I want either.
I want to find/see the best T5 level item and see how it compares to the T6 level items around it.

So, is there some option to show Item Levels, or am I just short of luck?

• Astrylian · 11/14/08, 3:06 PM

Just re-download v2.1, it'll include DPSDK and Enhance now. Sorry about that, didn't notice that their build paths never got set for release.

Rawr doesn't actually track item level. We'll prolly track that at some point, eventually.

Zurm, thought you updated the ratings for 80?

I'm working on the bug with Rawr.Cat's exp/hit.

Babathong · 11/15/08, 5:57 PM

I was under the impression that Blizzard was going to concentrate more on making the plate items more desirable for Ret Paladins.

Is it just me or according to Rawr, the best overall items for dps are clearly leather and mail. Its not even close either, like to the point that you may take the slightly lower dps item in exchange for it being plate. The leather and mail items are so much better that youd be crazy not to take them.

If in fact this is the case I am curious to see how the rogues, druids, hunters, and shammies feel.

If I am wrong please correct me for I am hoping this is the case.

dlanod · 11/16/08, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Babathong

I was under the impression that Blizzard was going to concentrate more on making the plate items more desirable for Ret Paladins.

Is it just me or according to Rawr, the best overall items for dps are clearly leather and mail. Its not even close either, like to the point that you may take the slightly lower dps item in exchange for it being plate. The leather and mail items are so much better that youd be crazy not to take them.

If in fact this is the case I am curious to see how the rogues, druids, hunters, and shammies feel.

If I am wrong please correct me for I am hoping this is the case.

Until the introduction of the int-->AP conversions for enhancement shamans and hunters (pre-WotLK), this used to be the case too. It still is in a lot of cases. Leather tends to be more specifically itemized for "pure" DPS stats like crit, AP, hit, etc for the rogues, which also happened to be the best for the rest of the physical damage dealing classes as well. Probably the main difference between plate and leather gear is plate has strength, which leather generally doesn't.

Carlos · 11/17/08, 9:12 AM

I haven't found the leatherworking enchants for the wirst slots on the weekend. Have I overlooked something or do I need to customize one of the files?

Fur Lining - Attack Power - Spell - World of Warcraft
Fur Lining - Stamina - Spell - World of Warcraft
Fur Lining - Spell Power - Spell - World of Warcraft

Might be interesting to Rogue and Ferals...

kalbear · 11/17/08, 2:49 PM

You'll need to customize the files for now. Rawr does not, as a rule, use any profession-specific abilities other than ring enchants for now. It's going to be interesting to see how Rawr does the BS socketing.

• Astrylian · 11/17/08, 3:16 PM

We will be adding the new profession-specific buffs. Not sure yet how we'll do the BS sockets, but we'll see.

Vidandric · 11/18/08, 1:12 AM

The talent tress used in this version haven't been updated, example: Moonkin.

• Astrylian · 11/18/08, 3:31 AM

Rawr's talent trees are updated based on the blizz website talent calculators. We can manually update them, but in this case, it wasn't worth doing, since it doesn't interfere with calculations. (There's no limit on how many talent points you can spend or anything.)

gralle · 11/18/08, 1:53 PM

Hi Astrylian!

How is the work on the Rawr.Cat Hit/Exp issue going?
Don’t mean to annoy you, it’s just that this tool is so fantastic and I like to get it back so I can start some modelling again. I love this tool and all of you are doing an excellent job!

How much value does Hit vs. Exp vs. AP have?
I know this change if you get more AP etc, but an estimated value on L80 will help me a lot to decide on what item to choose when I am not Hit/Exp caped.

Thank you for your time.

- Gralle

• Astrylian · 11/18/08, 2:04 PM

Sure. I've got fixes made locally and should be able to release within the next day or two. Just to give you a ballpark value, locally for my test char in full Naxx 25 gear, hit/exp are just between str and agi in value, until capped. It still doesn't account for misses reducing the uptime of Rip/Rake/Mangle, so hit will likely become better than str.

Tinweasele · 11/18/08, 4:12 PM

Still love the tool, been using it for a long time I just have 2 suggestions which i would appreciate someone looking into.

1. Currently setting up a custom talent tree not only allows 71+ points to be assigned but is in a very awkward sliding window.

2. The number of items in the db has grown out of control, would it be possible to either have an option or an automatic filter to display your item and then next... 20+ upgrades to your gear. currently there are just too many items i have trouble even finding my own CURRENTLY equipped gear in the list.

Thanks for a great tool.

• Astrylian · 11/18/08, 6:38 PM

Currently setting up a custom talent tree not only allows 71+ points to be assigned but is in a very awkward sliding window.

Can you describe this more? I know you're not limited to 71 points, but the 'very awkward sliding window' confuses me.