Rawr (v2.2.27 released on 11/9) - Page 52

Rainman5419 · 11/19/08, 1:52 AM

I can't post without thanking you for the work you done on Rawr, so thanks a lot Astrylian and crew for developing such a wonderful tool. The main reason for my post is regarding Rawr.Bear, specifically the future changing values for armor on jewelry slots. In the next update, regardless of if the change has gone live by that point, is it possible to get an option to ignore bear form bonuses for those slots?

• Astrylian · 11/19/08, 3:24 AM

I'll try to have it in, in the next release after that change goes up on the PTR.

Valerys · 11/19/08, 8:05 AM

Another note: Some of the selection choices on the Options tab are not saved with the character, forcing you to reselect them every time. These are Aldor/Scryer faction choice (not that it matters much anymore) and the glyph selections. This is in Retribution module at least, I have not checked the others.

fip · 11/21/08, 2:10 AM

How is the Warlock model coming along for the latest version? I looked all over the website but was unable to find any posts about it.

• Astrylian · 11/21/08, 2:34 AM

No work on the Warlock model that I've seen lately. Feel free to pass the word around that we could use the help of a C# dev who's skilled in C#.

Nickiter · 11/21/08, 2:01 PM

First, I appreciate all your work, particularly for us Hunters. My guild comes to me for upgrade advice, since I'm the "Rawr guru" but it's really all you.

Second, and more to the point, I and a few of my guildies have been having a problem with Rawr (universally) where changing gems using "Set Default Gems for Equipment" followed by "Delete non-listed gemmings" causes the following exception. I'd really like to be able to use the Default Gems option, because even with filters by source the gear lists are getting staggeringly long.

I'm using the version of Rawr available from the codeplex site at the time of this posting, and I'm updated to the absolute latest version of the .NET framework.

Exception (trimmed for length.)

************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Rawr.Character.IsEquipped(Item itemToBeChecked, CharacterSlot slot)
at Rawr.Character.IsEquipped(Item itemToBeChecked)
at Rawr.FormMassGemReplacement.OKButton_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

• Astrylian · 11/21/08, 3:22 PM

I believe that's fixed for Rawr 2.1.1, which we'll be releasing tonight. In the mean time, I believe you can get around that by making sure you have an item equipped in every slot possible (probably missing a shirt or tabard).

• Astrylian · 11/22/08, 7:42 AM

Download - Rawr - Release: Rawr 2.1.1

Recent Changes:
v2.1.1: Improved calculations for level 80 combat for several models (Cat, Bear, HolyPriest, ShadowPriest, Mage, Moonkin, Tree, Healadin). Added Leatherworking and Inscription self-enchants. Fixed some bugs with mass gem replacement and the optimizer.
v2.1: Updated for level 80 content. Removed models which haven't yet been updated for WoW 3.0. Added two brand new models: Enhance and DPSDK! Welcome to Rawr, Enhancement Shamans and DPS Death Knights!

Nisall · 11/22/08, 10:05 AM

In the retribution and protection modules of rawr the base stats don't add up.

In prot window it says I have 14997 while I'm sitting around 19k.
In the ret window hp doesn't work either 13.4k in rawr vs 17k ingame and the rating conversion are still based on lvl 70 I think. I have 221 hit rating which, according to rawr, is 14.02% where as ingame that is actually around 6.5-7%.

EDIT. Looking around a little more I noticed that;
1. in the prot module when changing player level under the option tab doesn't change any basic stats
2. in the ret module under the Option tab level 73 is the highest target level I can select.

Celeras · 11/22/08, 1:02 PM

[Edit] Ok, I attempted to use your stat weights to set up my pawn settings as I always have, but I'm stumped on a few things.

-Why does Bear still give weight to Resilience/Defense Rating as a Mitigation stat? Bears are uncrittable out of the box now with SoTF, which I'm sure you're aware of. Shouldn't these stats now be set to zero?
-Why does Cat give weight to Weapon DPS as a DPS stat? I don't recall exactly, but I don't remember that being there previously.

charriu · 11/22/08, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by Celeras

-Why does Bear still give weight to Resilience/Defense Rating as a Mitigation stat? Bears are uncrittable out of the box now with SoTF, which I'm sure you're aware of. Shouldn't these stats now be set to zero?

I don't know about resilience, but defense has some value aside reducing the chance to be crit, in that it increases dodge and chance to be missed.

Inko · 11/22/08, 3:26 PM

can someone upload last version somewhere, plz cause I can't download it from codeplex

• Astrylian · 11/22/08, 3:27 PM

I can't repro Bear giving any value to Resilience. It does correctly value Defense though, which gives miss/dodge.

Pay attention to the stats on the Cat relative stat values; that's "Weapon Damage", not "Weapon DPS". That's stats that directly increase your weapon damage, like the Ogri'la trinket. I haven't seen any of that stat in WotLK though.

can someone upload last version somewhere, plz cause I can't download it from codeplex

Why not? Is there some error or something?

Inko · 11/22/08, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

Why not? Is there some error or something?

when I click Rawr v2.1.1.zip nothing happens, just blank window opens

khanthal · 11/22/08, 4:15 PM

Astrylian, all of the various cat models and rotations I have seen around strongly focus on Rake whenver it is not applied since the damage it does it considerable.

Regardless of gear set I have never seen Rawr 2.1.0 or 2.1.1 put Rake into the Optimal rotation. Why? Is this new model assuming Rake is up at all times and just not mentioning it?

• Astrylian · 11/22/08, 4:22 PM

Originally Posted by Inko

when I click Rawr v2.1.1.zip nothing happens, just blank window opens

Sounds like you need to update your browser; that should be the license agreement. Anyway, I do typically mirror it on the druid wiki: The Druid Wiki � detail.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by khanthal

Astrylian, all of the various cat models and rotations I have seen around strongly focus on Rake whenver it is not applied since the damage it does it considerable.

Regardless of gear set I have never seen Rawr 2.1.0 or 2.1.1 put Rake into the Optimal rotation. Why? Is this new model assuming Rake is up at all times and just not mentioning it?

Yes. Rake is always assumed to be maintained. (Note the Rake Damage field on the stats page)

Kyne · 11/22/08, 4:25 PM

For the Retribution module:

I'm not able to select a Libram to put into my Relic slot. If I upload my character from armory the one I'm wearing will be included, however when working from a clean character sheet I cannot add one to it. I thought it might be because the items needed to be added into the database, but they're already in there.

• Astrylian · 11/22/08, 4:28 PM

Zurm has been gone a few days, but when he's back, I'm sure he'll fix the librams, ArPen rating, level 80 base stats, and level 80 rating conversions in Retribution.

khanthal · 11/22/08, 5:33 PM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

Sounds like you need to update your browser; that should be the license agreement. Anyway, I do typically mirror it on the druid wiki: The Druid Wiki � detail.

EDIT:

Yes. Rake is always assumed to be maintained. (Note the Rake Damage field on the stats page)

Thank you!

I see it optimizes how many point Roar one should do. It doesn't do this for Rip. Is the old standby of "4+" still assumed then?

• Astrylian · 11/22/08, 6:32 PM

No, 5pt Rip always now.

RareBeast · 11/22/08, 7:38 PM

1) Just downloaded the new version and am still having problems with Expertise. I have 44 Expertise Rating but Rawr gives a stat value of zero for expertise. Also, when I mouse over the start next to "Avoided Attacks" and it says 0% dodged, 5.492833% missed, so it seems to think I am Expertise capped already.

I was wondering, would Rawr be thinking I have 44 expertise instead of 44 expertise rating? 44 expertise would be about 360 expertise rating so I would be well and truly capped if that was the case.

I have PM'd a copy of the character file.

2) Another question I have is about shred. Rawr shows my optimal rotation as Mangle spam (with Rip & Roar - and Rake I read is included but not listed). Most of the info I have seen in other threads has said that Shred > Mangle Spam (even though I have 2pcT6). If I remove my T6, it still does not include Shred in the optimal rotation. Is this right?

3) Would it be possible in a future release to add an option to tick if Trauma or another druids Mangle is going to be up? We always have an Arms warrior raiding and I would imagine it has a significant effect on the ideal rotation and likely some effect on the various stat rankings etc.

Thanks

********* Edit ******************
I have discovered what the problem is. It is the Expertise Food that is the issue. If I use Agi food instead, then Expertise is now valued the same as Hit which is correct. So perhaps the Expertise Food in Rawr is granting Expertise instead of Expertise Rating.

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Celeras · 11/22/08, 8:55 PM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

I can't repro Bear giving any value to Resilience. It does correctly value Defense though, which gives miss/dodge.

My fault, I was looking at the untalented numbers, so resilience was added because I did not have SoTF.

coldbear · 11/22/08, 9:27 PM

Updated to Mac OS X 10.5.5

Works clean out of the box.

Lerastes · 11/24/08, 5:12 AM

Maybe this is just me but I'm getting really screwed up numbers with the Hunter model. In my current gear it listed about 1550 total DPS, and when I used Optimize for nax25 gear, it ended at 1200something DPS, with no ammunition selected (and I could not import ammo from WoWhead or Armory, it gave me an error message about "Unable to import selected item" or some such). When I loaded my character from armory, then manually input all the items, it gave a more normal DPS reading of 2700~. When I tried to reload the bullets from the armory, it gave the error, reverted the slot to nothing, and DPS went down to 1200.

Pet numbers also seem to be really off; with 4104 AP my pet is listed as only having 397 DPS. In full blues with 2400 AP it's 315 DPS.

Kinmaul · 11/24/08, 7:00 AM

Originally Posted by Nisall

In the retribution and protection modules of rawr the base stats don't add up.

In prot window it says I have 14997 while I'm sitting around 19k.
In the ret window hp doesn't work either 13.4k in rawr vs 17k ingame and the rating conversion are still based on lvl 70 I think. I have 221 hit rating which, according to rawr, is 14.02% where as ingame that is actually around 6.5-7%.

EDIT. Looking around a little more I noticed that;
1. in the prot module when changing player level under the option tab doesn't change any basic stats
2. in the ret module under the Option tab level 73 is the highest target level I can select.

Not only this but I can only select level 70-73 for my target mob level which of course makes comparing gear at the moment pointless since it assumes you are already well over hit cap. All-in-all minor bugs that shouldn't take too long to fix. I love this program and keep up the good work!