• frmorrison

These models don't work that well pre-80, but then it better than nothing. You can add an item easily, goto edit item (right click any item), then click add on the bottom. Then get the ID from wowhead (it is a number) and the database will update with it.

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Omidin

I couldnt find the Rawr.Druid thread so I'm asking my question here, if a Rawr.Druid thread does exist, please point me to it.

I was wondering about the Boomkin Rawr setup, for starters in the options, what goes in the User Rotation?

Secondly, how does Rawr/User Rotation interact with Eclipse?

Rawr doesnt seem to suggest which Eclipse would net more DPS with current gear either.

 

Latas

You need to switch the rotation in the options and compare the dps of each.

 

Kris

I have a request for the Ret optimizer. Since the dps can vary a lot with each change of priorities and since 2 and 4 set bonuses change the value of each attack, can the optimizer find the best rotation with every set of gear?

 

Omidin

Maybe I wasnt clear, the rotations show up as IS/MF/W or IS/MF/S and so on. That means (I assume) getting the dots up then spam starfire or wrath. However, it ignores Eclipse procs, and which eclipse proc to go for etc. Thats what I'm not sure about.

 

thedopefishlives

It doesn't "ignore" Eclipse procs. I tried to name everything as close as I could to how it is in Adoriele's WrathCalcs, but the rotation names are mostly holdovers. First of all, you don't have to set a user rotation; that is there for your personal preference, if you have a specific rotation you want to optimize for or see results for. Secondly, the rotation name specifies which dots you will be maintaining and which spell you will be casting post-Eclipse, if you have Eclipse in your spec. Eclipse procs are automatically handled behind the scenes.

 

Latas

Under the options is a little drop down list of which eclipse you will be going for, check the dps of one and then switch it to the other to check the dps of the other. Basically it makes you choose which eclipse cycle you will be using.

 

Omidin

That clarifies it, thanks a bunch.

However, changing user rotation and/or eclipse makes no impact on my dps, or anything else for that matter. I assume thats a bug, or am I missing something?

 

thedopefishlives

I've been noticing some display issues with things not getting updated properly sometimes, but I'm unsure at this time what exactly is going on. I'll look into it more.

 

Farook

I'm having the problem too that Rawr isn't starting anymore.

I tried to deinstall the latest .NET Framework that I had on my system, didn't work. Afterwards I (re)installed .NET Framework v3.5SP1, but didn't help as well.

Any ideas what else I could try? I'm so damn lost without Rawr, please help me.

EDIT: I just tried v2.2.4, and it works as intended. So there seems to be something happening to v2.2.5 only.

 

Disargeria

Is something wrong with the avoidance calculation?

Rawr's telling me 27.11% dodge and 15.82% parry, but my character sheet says 27.02 and 16.82%.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9481/rawroutput.png

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/48/charactersheet.png

I've got a thread going in the WoW tanking forum, and I've generally been pleased with the results. However, if it's calculating avoidance wrong for the DK, I'm worried some of the other numbers might be wrong. I noticed that when I upgraded everyone's rings and chest, the DK suddenly lost around 2% avoidance.

 

◊ Lorewanderer

For the moonkin model, does it handle the engineering hand enchants (Hyperspeed Accelerators) as an average, or does it use them in some more elaborate fashion like waiting for eclipse? I suppose it probably handles them the same way it does any clickies, in which case I guess I'm asking how it handles on-use items.

 

thedopefishlives

Clickies and procs both are evaluated by figuring out how much DPS you will do with them active, both independently and in conjunction with other clickies and procs. These values are then all averaged together to provide the final DPS result. Since Eclipse is handled in a sort of "average" fashion rather than as a proc, it can't tell whether it's better to wait for an Eclipse proc to pop all of these, but Eclipse is factored into the calculations, meaning that if you are using a Solar Eclipse, the value of the accelerators will diminish sharply if you are over the soft haste "cap".

 

cremor

Was answered on the previous page:

 

• frmorrison

Rawr 2.2.5 used to work fine, then I updated to .Net 3.5 sp1 and I had issues. I have .Net 1, 2, and 3 on my Programs list.

I fixed the issue of Rawr not loading by renaming the Rawr folder.

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• Astrylian

Download - Rawr - Release: Rawr 2.2.6

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Recent Changes:
v2.2.6.0
- Not all models are completely ready for final release. Specifically in some models the trinket effects might be missing. If that is the case please manually edit the items and give them average stats until we make everything work. We have decided that even not being completely ready we should make a release so that you can work with all
the 3.1 modeling changes.
- Fix for startup crash, also improved startup performance.
- Several new advanced options in the Optimizer and Batch Tools. Fix for Optimizer crashes.
- Rawr.Cat: Fix for FB damage calculations.
- Rawr.Hunter: Significant improvements all over.
- Rawr.Rogue: Further progress.
- Rawr.Mage: Correction to DoT overlap calculations.
- Rawr.DPSWarr: Further improvements to a variety of formulae and features.
- Rawr.Moonkin: Fix for 4T8 proc rate.
- Rawr.Healadin: Improvements to proc values. Fix for some base stats
- Rawr.Retribution: Improvements to proc values. Fix for a couple talent calculations.
- Rawr.ProtWarr: Improvements to proc values.
- Rawr.RestoSham: Updates to glyphs, and added healing stream calculations.
- Rawr.Elemental: Fix for haste valuing from buffs.
- Rawr.HolyPriest: Haste fixes and tweaks.
- Rawr.ShadowPriest: Haste fixes.

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Lilija

I was wondering about imp. Moonkin Aura talent. Since 2 patches it gives 30% spirit -> spellpower while I see the tooltip in Rawr still shows 15%. Is it just tooltip error or it wasn't changed yet?

 

• Cluey

Thanks for the continued updates Astrylian however the cat form module is still giving negative DPS bonuses to 2pT7 and 4pT8 for me. I thought it might be some bug with an old save so I started from scratch and still get them.

Attached Files

negative_dps.zip (1.3 KB, 4 views)

 

Erdluf

You can figure it out by looking at relative stat values. I'm seeing burst (ignores mana) scaling for SP at 0.98, and burst for Spirit at 0.37. That spirit value actually seems a bit high:

0.98 * .3 (IMkF) * 1.1 (BoK) * 1.02 (IMotW) = 0.33

so not only is it including the new IMkF, it is including something else (but I haven't figured out what it is).

 

• Astrylian

I mentioned this briefly in another thread... I'm still working on a fix for that. As far as I can tell, that happens in very rare, specific circumstances, when it would be ideal to dump *some* extra combo points into Bite, but not all. Right now, it's designed just that it's either all on (ignore extra CP, waste them), or dump all extra CP on Bite. So a little more energy (from those two set bonuses) actually reduces the total damage done, since it pushes you over a threshold where you'd bite more.


EDIT:
Also, I wanted to give a bit of teaser for where Rawr is going. There's still going to be a couple bugfix releases between now and Rawr v3.0, but here are two screenshots of our current in-development build of Rawr v3.0. Note that both of these are the same program (though the first one is a slightly older build, that's why there are a few different buttons):
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/38028/Rawrv3a.png
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/38028/Rawrv3b.png

/tease

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Docjowles

Is that running natively on your Mac, or under VMware or something?

 

• Astrylian

Native. (However, before I get the hopes up and then crush a few people... Intel-only. Sorry.)

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Endoscient

It uses Silverlight, which can run natively on any Intel based mac. So yes Rawr is finally getting native Mac OS X support.

It normally runs from within a web browser (like Safari or Firefox), but the screenshot is also demonstrating out of browser support. Where you can install a copy of Rawr onto your hard drive, to run when you are offline (or if you just prefer it that way).

 

bamina

A few things with 2.2.6 i noticed:

1)Items like the white tuxedo shirt or the easterevent robes produce an array error.

2) Items like the [LK Honor 5 Caster DPS Crit Cloak] LK Honor 5 Caster Crit Cloak should be filtered from view, because these items arent ingame yet.

3) The Source for [Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings] Val'anyr, isnt read correctly , after cacherefresh it still prints UNKNOWN in Ulduar. and it isnt hidden if i deselect the t8/8,5 filter.

4) Some of the Ulduar , and therefore t8/8,5 items, are marked as worlddrop, and arent hidden by the raiditemfilter either.

5) You should be able to edit the itemsource as well, if you know that they drop from hardmodes or bosses that only a few people killed so that they wont show up at wowhead.

6) In the HolyPaladinModel you should add a "*" with explanation what exactly burstscale means

Finally one small question, if im no blacksmith and cant socket bracers , how do i prevent rawr-optimzier from gemming a topaz in my bracers?

 

• Astrylian

1) When you do what? We need more details about that.

2) We get our data from Wowhead, and Wowhead says those items exist. Yes, they annoy me too.

3/4) Wowhead/Armory simply don't have perfect data for source location of everything. We do the best we can with what's available.

5) Source data is not modifiable, because it's complex data, not just a string of something. You can, however, edit the Note field on an item, and all filters check that field as well.

6) Ermad, reading this?

7) Uncheck the "BS Socket" checkboxes under the Wrist slot on the main form.

Rawr - A theorycrafting tool for Bears, Cats, Moonkin, Trees, Healadins, DPSWarrs, Retadins, Mages, ProtWarrs, Tankadins, HealingPriests, ShadowPriests, Warlocks, Rogues, EnhShams, Hunters, Elementals, RestoShams, Tank DKs, and DPS DKs!
Download Rawr v2.2.27 <--NEW Nov9th!

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