Tankenstein

Hey guys, I read the info available here on fury warrior DPS and I think I've applied it mostly correctly, but I seem to be missing something critical

In ZA against a similarly geared rogue, I've been getting my butt kicked on DPS every single time. As in he'll do as much as 20% more damage than I do on a boss

I'm guessing either my skill usage is wrong:
Bloodthirst, Whirlwind if Bloodthirst isn't back up, (do bloodthirst first so I don't get locked into doing whirlwind and then bloodthirst at the same time every time and wasting time on my bloodthirst cooldown), do rampage if it's less than 7-10 seconds, if you have more than 50 rage use heroic strike

or maybe Warriors just benefit so much more from Windfury that the only way to beat rogues is to have windfury in your group?

Here's my armory profile:
The World of Warcraft Armory
Unbuffed stats:
1400 AP
165 hit rating
29 crit in berserker stance
304 ignore armor
1.9% haste from some mail chestpiece

and here's the rogue who's beating me every time:
The World of Warcraft Armory
1450 ap
109 hit
18.6 crit
18 expertise
1.6% haste

Clearly a number of items on both myself and mr. rogue need to be replaced, although I think our gear is about equally sub-par in that respect. The rogue did Naxx a lot back in the day and was one of the guild's top DPSers before he got bored of raiding, so chances are he has a perfect rotation and whatnot. Also if you're looking at these profiles after March, 2008, chances are the gear on them has changed completely

Thanks for any help you guys can provide,
- Ragingdwarf

PS: I have the 95 DPS fist weapons from ZA, both 2.6 speed, and my mainhand has executioner on it. the rogue, on the other hand, has an unenchanted 81 dps Blinkstrike in his mainhand and a season 2 gladiator's sword in his offhand

PPS: It looks like I should get some expertise, quit mongering +hit, and probably put a point in imp whirlwind
In any case though, that rogue certainly isn't sporting top notch stats, so there must be something else at work..

 

Suesse

Stop gemming with hit, ap, or agility. Your options are crit, str/crit, and strength. You may gem with two str/stam or crit/stam gems to get your meta gem bonus. Get blue quality gems at least for epic quality gear.

 

amethyst

Warriors are more gear dependent than any other class in the game. Sort the gear.

 

• Groghe

I have two suggestions. Enchant your off hand with something and take another glance at available DPS Warrior literature. http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t22705-d...or_compendium/

 

Mansch

3 points I can spot quickly:
1) use your exalted ring from the Voilet Eye instead of the green ring
2) enchant the legs with ATP and crit
3) change your talent spec to this build just a 4 point difference

Hope this works for you.

P.S. Chestplate of A'dal could also be an upgrade dps-wise though did not check it for yout gear.

 

Tankenstein

First off, thanks a lot for the tips, guys. I was kind of worried it would just be a bunch of insults and bragging, although I guess they're not really cool with that on these forums

I skimmed through this stuff a few months ago, but then I didn't bother keeping up to date or paying much attention to my damage until just now since I never actually got a chance to DPS for a whole run. Also until recently I was on a super low population server where nobody could cut the gems I needed and I couldn't buy enchanting mats.. good old Nazjatar

So I should:

- Respec as indicated
- Give yellow slots +8 crit rating, red slots +8 strength, blue +str/stam or +crit/stam if I need the bonus
- Try to get one or preferably two new rings (I have to keep my tanking kara ring for now since I end up main tanking ZA a lot of the time)
- Fork over some G for Mongoose on the offhand and other useful DPS enchants

I think I'm going to save my badges til 2.4 and buy new shoulders and pants when that comes out

 

Chirality

You can just stick with Potency (20str) on your offhand. It's about one-third the cost, and most spreadsheets show that it's virtually identical to mongoose for an offhand enchant.

 

• Groghe

I think Chirality brings up a good point. Get to know and love one of the spreadsheets. It'll answer most of your questions without the need to post.
[Warrior] DPS Spreadsheet 2.3 and beyond

 

• Aldriana

As an additional quick comment on the title, just to set expectations correctly: it has been my experience that few fury warriors regularly "beat rogues on single targets". My personal experience has been that in the expansion fury warriors, while certainly doing excellent damage, do tend to run 5-10% behind comparably geared rogues. So while the fact that you're 20% behind does imply that there's room for improvement (and I'm sure you'll receive all manner of feedback about how to do so), you won't necessarily make it all the way up to the level of rogue DPS even playing optimally.

I might also note that warriors do generally benefit more from WF than rogues, as, if nothing else, we can use poison to make up some of the DPS we lose by not having it.

I might also note that some of the bosses do have movement components to them; and on such fights, what tends to be a larger influence then anything else is how quickly you move from target to target. If, on a 4 minute fight, you spend an extra 5 seconds positioning (and not attacking), you just lost 2% of your DPS outright. This sort of thing can add up in a hurry.

 

rejdakon

Spread sheet is definitely something you should familiarize yourself with. Once you've gotten used to it, it can really tell you alot about your current gear and possible upgrade options.

Now, a few remarks on your specific case:

- Go for more Str/AP; at your gear level, this will probably give you the most bang for your item budget. Start with your gems.
- Try the spread sheet, but I don't think that haste is going to get you a lot at your AP/Crit-Level. As mentioned, your preference should be with Str and then Crit.
- Socket Str, not AP. Str scales with BoK.
- Do not socket for+hit and +agi; again, use Str/Crit instead.
- Get that resilience/sta gem out of your shoulder pieces.
- Use the next 1875 Arena points to get the S3-Breastplate.
- There are two nice Quest reward rings, on of which is limited to Aldor faction, if I remember correctly. Both have 50 AP, 15 Agi and 10 Hit rating. They are easy to get and should be an upgrade in comparison to both your rings.
- The new badge loot will definitely bring you several upgrade options, but you are alsready missing out on a rather steep upgrade: Bloodlust Brooch. Take this instead of the Skyguard Cross.
- If you don't want to spend a lot of money on an off-hand enchant at the moment, Potency is really ok. Spend your money on the epic leg enchant.

 

Machinator

Your meta should be the 3% crit bonus, +hit and +AP gems are bad. In general I think you just need to get more gear. Rings are all over, PvP, Kara, rep, that are upgrades. Your group setup will also be a big part in your dps,

"Information is ammunition."

 

Moogul

Really, can't this be merged into the DPS Warrior Compendium thread? All this boils down to is: 'How do warrior's do good dps?', which we already have a thread for.

 

Tankenstein

Hey guys, while I have your attention, what's your opinion on a fast offhand for a warrior? It seems to be bad, but how bad is it?

So far I haven't taken any fast offhand if a rogue or hunter wanted it under the assumptions that:
- it would eat up flurry charges
- not do enough whirlwind damage
- generate exactly the same rage as a weapon with a different speed but the same stats/dps

is that about right? Is the spreadsheet pretty accurate for comparisons with different weapon speeds?


You can look at it that way, but I was looking for more specific details related to what I was doing.. sorry if I'm cluttering up the forums with unnecessary threads


Anyway thanks again for all the feedback. I guess if I'm 5-10% behind rogues on bosses but 30% ahead of them on multi-target trash I can live with that :*). Plus I dunno how feasible it is in 25 mans, but in ZA whenever tanks start getting to the 20% HP area if I'm at full HP I'll intervene them, and a lot of ZA mobs/bosses are vulnerable to disarm

 

vorda

Surely at least this question has been answered a ton of times in the DPS warrior topics. The 'search this thread' tool can be found in the upper right corner of each topic.

edit: And in general 'this is my profile, tell me how to play please' posts, let alone topics, are frowned upon here, though the mods seem to tolerate this one