Fury DPS Spreadsheet for 3.0 - Page 15

Graul · 04/17/08, 1:31 PM

When in doubt, just gem with pyrestones. That's about all I use for my str gems most of the time, but it's mostly because I don't like dipping much in crit, I like the "look" of balanced stats and spreadsheets will vary in stat valuations.

• landsoul · 04/17/08, 2:01 PM

Yeah im not touching execute at this time because its too complicated to be accurate to base decisions off of. without dozens of hours of work. Yes, crit is better than STR during execute range, which might change other spreadsheets in favor of crit when calculating 80/20 damage ranges. There's too many variables and variations to make a solid average model...

Machinator · 04/17/08, 3:41 PM

Originally Posted by Rishina

In a little way execute could be affected by AP. In between GCD's if you have more AP you will hit harder resulting in a larger rage gain and therefore a larger execute. Crit would also have the same effect however but would also affect BT. The more I think about modelling execute the more complex it becomes..

Yeah thats right, but its something like 75 str to put another point on rage/execute by my calculations. Which could be off because Im trying lots of different ideas.
I wonder what the computational time of whatever script OO or Excel use would be to run though all the permutations if you just made a couple assumptions.

Barmbul · 04/17/08, 5:07 PM

Posted claims are a static 40ap which depending on your gear puts it on par with Choker of Serrated Blades but sub par to Endless nightmares

deathblow · 04/17/08, 6:15 PM

Could you add [Demontooth Shoulderpads]? I think that's the only relevant item I've noticed missing.

• landsoul · 04/17/08, 7:13 PM

Originally Posted by Machinator

Yeah thats right, but its something like 75 str to put another point on rage/execute by my calculations. Which could be off because Im trying lots of different ideas.
I wonder what the computational time of whatever script OO or Excel use would be to run though all the permutations if you just made a couple assumptions.

It would be instantly as the software uses the speed of your processor, which can handle millions of calculations a second, but the creation of the assumptions to fuel the calculation would take a very undersestimated amount of time.

On necklace: I don't give a damn about posted claims, I want the breakdown. Is it PPM based or % based or hidden CD or a combination of both? Whats the value? whats the amount of AP granted?

On execute: also, how do you determine if you are going to have enough rage for htiting its BT on its cooldown, do you skip a GCD of execute to build rage for a BT? HOw much rage left over after the BT to use on your next execute? This will also raise the power to the number of permutations needed to create an accurate model.

On Flurry: Another thing I was theorizing about when I was thinking about Sword Extra Attacks and windfury extra attacks. They can consume flurry charges. While at the same time they can grant flurry, these attacks can destroy the integrity of same-speed weapon syncs granting full flurried time on the 4th swing. So for now, i am going to remove the 4th swing if under the effects of windfury totem or sword specialization.

• Apate · 04/17/08, 7:53 PM

Originally Posted by landsoul

On Flurry: Another thing I was theorizing about when I was thinking about Sword Extra Attacks and windfury extra attacks. They can consume flurry charges. While at the same time they can grant flurry, these attacks can destroy the integrity of same-speed weapon syncs granting full flurried time on the 4th swing. So for now, i am going to remove the 4th swing if under the effects of windfury totem or sword specialization.

The idea of same-speed weapons also assumes that you align them in the first place, which (at least until recently) required toggling attack while out of range and then moving in.

Machinator · 04/17/08, 8:28 PM

Originally Posted by landsoul

On execute: also, how do you determine if you are going to have enough rage for htiting its BT on its cooldown, do you skip a GCD of execute to build rage for a BT? HOw much rage left over after the BT to use on your next execute? This will also raise the power to the number of permutations needed to create an accurate model.

I did some napkin math and had something like 2000000 or something just thinking up variables for 1 GCD. Not sure how instant that would be. That could eat some memory too, though there may be a way to fix that. Ill muck around with some c++ later maybe.

Rishina · 04/17/08, 9:09 PM

The Aldor proc is 200AP lasts for 10 seconds. Never seen it refresh faster than 45 seconds.

• landsoul · 04/17/08, 9:32 PM

Okay, so aldor is 200 ap, 1 PPM 45 second CD like most other non-weapon armors. This yields 10-15% uptime, counting the average time to proc after each 45 second period of guaranteed downtime of the proc.

Also, I successfully incorporated sword specialization procs using double swords. It's updating everything and currently working properly (until I break it). The chance to proc sword comes form the hits per second models of all weapon attacks, except itself. This "extra hit" is incorporated into White Damage, Rage Per Second, Flurry Uptime, Deep Wounds Tick Uptime, and Procs Per Minute. I have to code it all into SEP, so I wont post it until its finished.

And also, The removal of the 4 hits per flurry while windfuried especially, will reduce the dps of matching speed weapons a little bit, and might change some rankings of certain weapon setups.

• landsoul · 04/18/08, 1:23 AM

New version available, with sword spec and other things.

Gurlock · 04/18/08, 7:36 PM

Couple things missing from this great spreadsheet:

[Worgen Claw Necklace] is missing its 42 AP and [Vindicator's Plate Greaves] is missing its 35 crit.

• landsoul · 04/19/08, 4:19 AM

Ok, I hotfixed it and am putting the build up, thanks for your input.

Bersi · 04/20/08, 6:32 AM

Using the latest version of the spreadsheet i wonder why the effect of equipping vanir as main (+5,9 DPS) or offhand (+4,47 DPS) on my DPS is so exceeded when equipping both (+19,4 DPS). Do i reallly gain additional ~9DPS due to the fact that both ot them are synced or where do these 9 DPS come from?

With my current equip & raidsetup i have (Mh Exe & Off Mungo) 1321,9DPS BoI+RT
Switching to double Blade i gain some DPS and reach 1329,58 BoI+BoI (+7,68)
Switching my Offhand to slow Fist i gain less DPS 1326,37 BoI+VL (+4,47)
Switching my Main i gain more than expected 1327,8 DPS VR+BoI (+5,9) but still less than double BoI
Equipping Doubel Vanir i reach incredible 1341,3 DPS with V+V (+19,4)

◊ Jameson · 04/20/08, 1:17 PM

Landsoul, could you add the [Shadowmaster's Boots] from Mother?

• landsoul · 04/20/08, 6:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bersi

Using the latest version of the spreadsheet i wonder why the effect of equipping vanir as main (+5,9 DPS) or offhand (+4,47 DPS) on my DPS is so exceeded when equipping both (+19,4 DPS). Do i reallly gain additional ~9DPS due to the fact that both ot them are synced or where do these 9 DPS come from?

With my current equip & raidsetup i have (Mh Exe & Off Mungo) 1321,9DPS BoI+RT
Switching to double Blade i gain some DPS and reach 1329,58 BoI+BoI (+7,68)
Switching my Offhand to slow Fist i gain less DPS 1326,37 BoI+VL (+4,47)
Switching my Main i gain more than expected 1327,8 DPS VR+BoI (+5,9) but still less than double BoI
Equipping Doubel Vanir i reach incredible 1341,3 DPS with V+V (+19,4)

If you dont have a windfury totem, and your weapons remain synced during the entire duration of the fight, allows you get 4 attacks per flurry charge, increasing your flurry uptime. It is not however, worth doing this over a better setup if you have windfury totem.

Zerilan · 04/21/08, 3:39 AM

Since apparently haste is a bit underrated, how good are the swiftsteel pieces?

Halle · 04/21/08, 5:45 AM

First of all a big thanks to Landsoul for this spreadsheet, really helps with gear choices and working out optimal raid buffs.

Secondly a couple of things I have noted while playing around with it:

The new sharpening stones actually work out as slightly less dps than adamantite.
My gear at the moment favors Onslaught legs over LoDR by a few dps. Probably due to lost +hit with Sunwell gear and the 4 piece bonus.
Same for CVoS vs Illidari Shatterer. I'm getting better results going back to plate for the hit now it's dropped a bit due to T6 bracers/belt/bs chest/MgT trinket.

Anyway just some random points there.

Keep up the great work.

zinv · 04/21/08, 10:37 AM

edit : downloaded latest version, question is answered. Please excuse the inconvenience.

• landsoul · 04/21/08, 4:55 PM

Originally Posted by Halle

First of all a big thanks to Landsoul for this spreadsheet, really helps with gear choices and working out optimal raid buffs.

Secondly a couple of things I have noted while playing around with it:

The new sharpening stones actually work out as slightly less dps than adamantite.
My gear at the moment favors Onslaught legs over LoDR by a few dps. Probably due to lost +hit with Sunwell gear and the 4 piece bonus.
Same for CVoS vs Illidari Shatterer. I'm getting better results going back to plate for the hit now it's dropped a bit due to T6 bracers/belt/bs chest/MgT trinket.

Anyway just some random points there.

Keep up the great work.

CVoS should be better than Illidari Helm, unless you are going under the Yellow hit cap for some reason.
The new coatings are less DPS than adamantite for two reasons: A) They only last for 10 seconds and B) they are on a hidden cooldown, and with hidden cooldowns also comes average time to re-proc.

Your gear is sick, BTW I wish my guild wasn't retarded and had 7 months to farm BT.

Graul · 04/21/08, 5:14 PM

Originally Posted by landsoul

The new coatings are less DPS than adamantite for two reasons: A) They only last for 10 seconds and B) they are on a hidden cooldown, and with hidden cooldowns also comes average time to re-proc.

I tried out the coating as well last night for the first half of our Brutallus attempts, and I just wasn't seeing the advantage. On paper the coating looks better, but after switching back to a stone my DPS went up slightly. But then that could just be coincidence as well, because my DPS was all over the place on that fight from our first attempts to our last with the same buffs and rotation.

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I can't really figure out why my DPS was so low in the first handful of fights, especially fight 4. It also seems like the Execute phase is making more of an impact than I thought it would, although it still doesn't explain attempt 4 vs 7,9 and 18. You would also think that on the fights where I was hit with the Burn, that my overall damage done would be just a little higher than those I was not hit, but that's not the case. I was also looking for parries to see if it was a positioning issue, but nothing remarkable shows up there either.

Nen · 04/21/08, 6:00 PM

Didn’t look at the logs carefully, but it seems that 4 v 7,9,18 is due to missed BTs 43 vs 59+

Graul · 04/21/08, 7:16 PM

Sometimes I even amaze myself with forgetfulness. We ended up having to use two Druids last night for Burns simply because of who was available, and attempt 4 was the first time I was hit with Burn and I died around the 3 minute mark. After that, Burns were a non issue, but the Druids had to adjust what they were initially trying.

Halle · 04/22/08, 5:57 AM

Originally Posted by landsoul

CVoS should be better than Illidari Helm, unless you are going under the Yellow hit cap for some reason.
The new coatings are less DPS than adamantite for two reasons: A) They only last for 10 seconds and B) they are on a hidden cooldown, and with hidden cooldowns also comes average time to re-proc.

Your gear is sick, BTW I wish my guild wasn't retarded and had 7 months to farm BT.

Not under the yellow cap but getting pretty damn close.

While I dont believe 200+ rating is the way forward (like some seem to swear by), my rage gen feels too spiky when I'm down around the 10% mark. I find my dps is better when I know what rage I'm getting. I like it around 175 give or take a bit, plus my racial ofc

Thanks for the comment on gear. Still lack a couple of things from BT like Illidan ring and Teron cloak but they seem to be my guild's cursed items.

Durus · 04/22/08, 6:46 PM

Perhaps I'm completely retarded, but I can accept that. While using the spreadsheet, the instructions, and landsoul, say to hit shift ctrl y after you change a slot's item. When I do this in every slot, I end up with about 300 total DPS by the time I've changed everything. What am I missing?