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@Rauch
You mean: divide the total physical DPS by 100, and then multiply by 4, right? I can do that math, but I do not know the DPS potential of a Warglavie Warrior in the long run - and I'm thinking long term. If he can ever use it, he will get it. Then again, would BF+Warglavies (ie. not a 2h) be wise?

@Whistles
@perkynose
We have 2 Warriors and 2 Rogues. One Warrior is BF spec, other is Fury. The Fury Warrior has OHWG, and one of our Rogues also has an OHWG. The second Rogue is on vacation.

The question is: will a set of Warglavies for our BF Warrior benefit the raid, or would it be so indifferent that I could rather give it to our everlasting Main Tank as a treat?

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Iofe

Why would your maintank ever need an offhand warglaive for anything but parading in IF?

You got 2 free mainhand slots, 1 fury warrior + 1 rogue, both can complete their set by getting a mainhand. If mainhand drops give it to either the fury warrior or rogue who has the highest attendance, plays best or let dkp decide. If yet another offhand drops give it to the BF warrior - the maintank wont ever use an offhand?

 

Edenfall

@Iofe

If the difference is zero, the Main Tank might get it for offspec. Our MT has been our faithful MT for an entire year.
So if I have to give an OHWG to a non-rogue or non-fury warrior, I'd like to be able to answer when people ask me why and why not.

Now, the final question is which of 2x Warglavies or Cataclysm's Edge are better for BF spec.

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Whistles

You can't give it to the second rogue as he isn't going to be there. It's an offspec for both warriors but personally I'd give it to the BF. And no he shouldn't be using glaives over Cat's Edge specced Arms.

 

Calgar

I don't think dual wielding glaives is viable as BF spec...he'll be stuck with the Cat's edge for DPS.

Give the glaives to the BF warrior though, this way, if your Fury warrior quits he has the opportunity to go fury as it's the more gear dependent spec. This should also allow you to have the 2 warriors switch duties once in awhile. Eg. Your fury warrior go arms, and Arms warrior go fury for a change.

 

MadMardigan

I was playing with the spreadsheet (Great tool by the way, love the work you did) and I noticed a bug.

I was tossing up the idea of using the Nightstrike (10 hit 10 expertise) instead of my Merciless Gladiator's War Edge (16 crit, 28 attack power). I was expecting an increase in dps because I'm not at the 6.25% dodge cap yet with expertise, but the dps was lowered. When I selected the War Edge again, the dps lowered again. Just testing it a bit, switching between the items always yeilded a different DPS output.

 

Sabethaya

Please read the directions.

 

Pazkalymoz

Found a small issue with Spiteblade.
Because it kept telling me it would do better dps then for instance heartless. Even with the refresh thingy.

Then i found out why
spite blade has 87.6 Agility on it
I had the "old" sheet version 1.318, so downloaded the new version.
1.319 has the same issue.

Could i change the Agi there be setting a new value ?


(sorry for any grammer error's, my main language is dutch)

 

Edenfall

@Calgar

That is a very good argument. The flexibility is priceless. Thanks for the discussion.

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perkynose

I have to agree with Calgar

 

MadMardigan

My problem was solved.

 

Jevade

Landsoul(or anyone else),

On the spreadsheet raid options where you select 2 bonus from warglaives how much haste does it add? The haste proc is up like wut 15% of the time or something like that right ---is that taking into effect OR is The DPS gain shown including the full 450 haste effect and the AP bonus refering to ONLY the 10 second proc duration?

Also does anyone know if you can swap weopons out and keep the haste proc from the glaives??? PLZ?
thanks kindly,
Jev

 

Emeraude

DW Blood Frenzy is extremely Viable IF you have Glaives.

Our guild was really on the "GO BLOOD FRENZY WE NEED IT TO SUCCEED IN LIFE" kick a for a while, and basically was forcing us to go BF or they'd use the other Warrior. So he came to the raid as Fury with the Glaives, and they wanted Blood Frenzy, so he went with a 33/28 DW build. At first he was somewhat awkward at it, but he's gotten extremely good at it, putting up at least 2200DPS on a normal Brutallus kill(5:45). Only buffs were flask/food/off-hand stone. 1 Heroism.

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Lord Pendragon

Any thoughts?

 

orgasmatron

Well I'm not sure how much the 2pc bonus is but you are not really gonna loose it after you get it.

For the 4pc bonus, my normal MS damage on most WWS/Recount were around 18%, lets assume I did 2000dps on a fight(nice even number!), that means MS did 2000*(18% / 100)=360dps. The 4pc would have increased that by 5% so 360*( 5% / 100 )=18dps. So if the new piece is more than a 18dps upgrade take the new piece. So:

(Your total dps on a fight * (% Damage done by MS/BT / 100) * 0,05 ) < dps gained by the upgrade = take it.

This is just the mathematical way to look at it, for instance as someone said earlier his MS damage was higher on M'uru phase 1 so he was wearing the 4pc bonus instead.

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Hidden

I'd also assume that 33/28 with Warglaives isn't that bad, Sword Spec is really awesome as OH procs give MH hits and it can proc WF as well. So it gives you up to 15% more MH swings which should make up for the 10% Flurry loss. Death Wish should nearly make up for the loss of Rampage. Of course you still lose some talents like BT and imp. Berserker Stance but that's what you lose for 4% raid damage anyway.

 

Graul

How many DW Warriors usually take Imp DS over UW? And how many 33/28 (2h) Warriors don't take Imp DS? If you're going 33/28 DW it's pretty much a no brainer that you're going to have to be taking Imp DS as well, unless for whatever reason your tanks have 5/5 in it or you're running with another DW Warrior that has it.

 

• Mjollnir

UW > IDS. But for us, it's more of a group comp solution rather than a min/max based on warrior mechanics. We have our survival hunter use his owl on important boss AP redux encounters.

 

Rauch

I'd assume you'd use a parse with an arms warrior to figure more or less the exact contribution of Bloodfrenzy from a real sample, with the arms warrior and the fury warrior in the same melee group with the same buffs. In this case, all physical dps is doing 104%, not 100% of their physical damage. Dividing by 104% (1.04) gives you the physical dps w/o Bloodfrenzy's contribution for that parse. At this point you can you take the difference in physical dps with and without Bloodfrenzy or multiply the physical dps w/o bloodfrenzy by 4% (0.04) to give you Bloodfrenzy's contribution, and then you compare that value to the difference in dps between the arms warrior and the fury warrior. Whichever is bigger should sway your decision.

For progression's sake (since you're looking toward the future), Bloodfrenzy is too valuable to give up unless, like I said, your arms warrior is just plain bad or is geared very badly, or worse, both. For your situation, don't worry about the vacationing rogue and leave the arms warrior arms. The arms warrior will continue to be useful until you guys get everything on farm and then he can look into going fury for the hell of it. A mounting vengance and the hand of the deciever isn't a bad setup for the meantime, just not the best. As for who to start on a 3rd set, that's more of a judgment call on your part, the "vacationing" rogue, the arms warrior, or as a novelty item for the main tank. I'd normally say the rogue cause it'd be a better contribution (unless he's a flake), then I'd say the arms warrior since they'd deserves some goodies if they're interested in fury at all (he has to compromise his personal dps the most, yes this is self-serving :P), and then finally the main tank simply cause he's loyal and deserves a novelty item or cause he just wants to look cool. I come from an environment where we gear the raid for progression and the biggest raid upgrade is "usually" the best decision.

Good luck!

@Calgar: Yes I agree. I think because of the situation with the 2nd rogue's attendance, I'd start off at the most practical point. The arms warrior won't have to change up much gear to go fury if the opportunity should ever fall on his lap to do so.

 

• landsoul

Ive experimented with a modified version of my sheet doing things with the current TG, but it became difficult to make all the changes manually each time while testing the numbers. Thing is, there's no way for it to be applicable now, the only way you can apply a spreadsheet is in a raid environment, which means level 80, or perhaps maybe patch 3.0 at 70. I started building a new sheet from scratch for this reason, trying to anticipate the demands of every option we would need a sheet for. I plan to run both OO and Excel platforms this time as well.

Expect much cleaner and streamlined pages, taking even less space. Expect being able to compare multiple set (talent, gear, buff) configurations side by side in the same sheet.

That being said. I am done updating the BC version of this sheet. Thanks for all who have made suggestions and taught me what your demands are and what you like and don't like! See you all on the download page in a few months!

 

Gruntle

You did a great job landsoul! Thanks for all of the efforts in keeping the sheet up to date and bug-free, I look forward to seeing your 3.0 version with TG support.

I think it will be really hard to figure out optimum cycles for wotlk (thus quite hard to model the dps), but it sure would be nice if it could be made to work. I think Slams and Bloodsurge are going to make a mess of the regular cycles we've been using.

 

• landsoul

Im going to try to make a rage and cooldown priority system working off rage per seconds.

 

SSLanfear

Just got the OH glaive tonight and seeing that it's actually a downgrade to my mounting vengeance. How accurate is the spreadsheet in regards to this? I thought it would be about even but seeing around a 10dps drop and i'm human. Just wanted to know if any other fury's out there with just the OH glaive have tested this.

 

• landsoul

I also have the OH glaive in anticipation of getting the MH. I also have MV. MV is clearly superior for myself. The gem slots, superior stats, slow speed, and confirmation fro the spreadsheet is what sold me.

However the glaive may be useful to you since you are human, and maybe help you keep your rage rotations smoother by having less spiky rage generation. Glaive is fun to use too after all cooldowns are expired during the 19% execute phase. You can create real efficient BT and execute hits with slow/fast.

 

pindle

Wront thread, removed.