PomPower

about CoH spec:

when would you really be needing this talent?
i am currently on 23/38 spec and it works mighty fine for me. but then again, i am only raiding Karazhan and Zul' Aman.
is it a must-have spec or just fun to have?

your 2 cents please

 

Periad

It's generally not that useful until you start raiding content that has raid wide damage and your positioning during the fight means that the groups are set so each member is no further than 18 yards from a central group member, the best example of this is bloodboil where the general tactic is to have three bloodboil groups being healed by one or two CoH spec priests.

I wouldn't say it's absolutely necessary for any fight, but it's certainly very nice to have at least one CoH in your raid once you reach T6 content. For Kara and ZA the application is limited, I think the only fight I'd expect it to be useful is on Hex Lord.

Why not spec it and see how you find it for a week, it'll only cost you 100g at most.

 

Crappo

Hi,
i want to change my profession!
Now im a alchemist and i want to chance herbalism.

My Priest is endgame equipped, and last week we killed Felmyst.

But i dont know profession i should choose.

Enchanting are only 40+heal, drums suxx, and
juwelcrafter only fot the neck?

I hope you can help me to get the right choice.

 

Sarjin

I'd say it starts to get useful in T5 level content; going instance by instance:

Karazhan: Not needed, and not overly useful most of the time either.
Gruul: Likewise- people tend to be too spread out for it to really work.
Magtheridon: Handy to heal up shadowbolt volleys, but not all that important overall.
ZA: Very handy on some bossfights, such as Akil'zon (if the timers screw and he tosses an Arcane Discharge), Hex Lord and to a lesser extent Zul'jin, as well as some trash.
TK/SSC: Pretty handy overall, shines on some fights (Morogrim, VR, for example), not totally needed but a nice asset anyways.
MH: So far not overly useful in most bossfights, aside from healing RoF on Azgalor. also useful at times on trash healing the melee groups. Not worked on Archimonde yet however.
BT: Not been there yet, but widely documented to be extremely powerful in a good amount of fights.

I'd personally start considering to switch when the content you are doing is T5 level (ZA, SSC, TK), especially if there is another priest with Improved Divine Spirit in your raid group. Before this, I'd say you are better off being 23/38/0.

 

Havoc12

I am not assuming that you are the only healer healing the target. I am asking what is the best way to buy the DPS a second hit. The other healers can take it from there, but you can never assume that someone is already healing a DPS taking damage. I have personally been killed many times, because I received a flash heal after being attacked and the 2nd hit killed me, where a pom/PWS would have let me survive it and bought me time to do something about it. All heals save lives but Flash heal saves lives a lot less than gheal or PoM/PWS does. If its going to be overheal then you cancel and move to a new target. Your job is done the DPS is saved.

If your gheals never really land, your raid has more healers than it needs for this stage. So it does not really matter anyway. You can FH or do whatever you like.

Sometimes you need to use flash heal for healing overaggro. If say PoM/PWS are on CD and the target is already low. Or if you need to heal one target and get to a second as fast as possible. The you flash and move back. No point in using instants or gheal

 

Havoc12

CoH is useful in pretty much every raid there is. Its a lot more usefull than IDS, unless your raid already has an IDS priest. In ZA a CoH priest is an asset through the entire instance. if u hv 1800+healing coh spec will increase your personal healing.

 

Jayde

Quick Lionseye in Red? Why?

+10 Spirit gems are best "all-around" gems for a Priest right now, so if you're going to avoid a socket color, it would seem that it should be for one of those. Although Quick Lionseye are a nice increase to HPS for CoH, I don't believe they are good enough to start avoiding potential spirit slots. I would really only recommend using them for matching yellow sockets for bonuses, otherwise Sparkling gems would be my pick.

Realistically, though, while Quick Lionseye are a bit better than Spinels in terms of HPS increase, they aren't -that- much of an increase. For instance, with my stats +22 healing would be an increase of 3.7378 HPS/target, whereas +10 Haste would be an increase of 4.731 HPS/target. A notable increase (around 26%), but at the loss of any HPM increases. So, you gain an increase of 0.13% HPS from using a Lionseye vs. Spinel at the expense of an increase of 0.33% HPM.

So, while I can see the argument for using them in yellow slots, I'm not sure it's really worthwhile to "stack" Lionseye gems in non-matched sockets, unless you are really going for a low efficiency stat makeup.

[Priest] Holy Priest Healing/Gear Spreadsheet

 

Sharaza

I have seen gear question come up in this thread but still have a problem. Currently I have t5 legs and I have been trying to work out what legs to go for. Soon the badge vendor will be unlocked for us, yes this server slacks, so I can get the [Adorned Supernal Legwraps] or should I wait for [Leggings of Eternity]. Do note that we are currently failing on Archimonde, since people insist on standing in the fires, so I have no idea when and if I can even get the latter.

I am considering to stack spirit gems but as I see it currently badge pants have an ofsr regen advantage while the other have a bit more healing and ifsr regen. I am not that bothered about 14 stamina. Maybe I have overlooked something which makes 1 of these clearly better then the other, if so feel free to enlighten me.

on a sidenote, greatly enjoyed reading this compendium.

 

Hiba

GH actually works quite well on Council raid healing, the damage is so predictable and slow that you can easily save people with one single well timed heal. Usually the usefulness of the GH in raid healing is depends how you time it, starting a cast after the target has taken some damage is usually too late, and other heals are much better.

Can't talk about Eredar Twins on these forums yet, but I have to say that from raid healing point of view, it's the most intensive fight so far, and Flash heal will have very big role as well as our instant spells. It's also once again a fight where Binding Heal proves it's power when keeping ourselves and our targets alive at the same time.

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Jayde

Adorned Supernal Legwraps are generally better, so they would probably be your best bet.

[Priest] Holy Priest Healing/Gear Spreadsheet

 

Bendyr

I'm not sure if I did the calculations right, but when I plugged a 30 intellect enchant into Jayde's Spreadsheet, I actually got better mana regen than with the 20 Spirit enchant.

Since 2.4, is 30 intellect now a better enchant for my mana regen weapon?

 

Sharaza

Was indeed leaning towards them, thanks for making the choice easier now.

 

Kass

I've noted a bit of discussion surrounding the [Quick Lionseye] and its increase to HPS over the [Teardrop Crimson Spinel]. Is the general consensus that the yellow gem slot should be filled with haste instead of [Luminous Pyrestone]? I know every bit of our gear has Intellect on it, and I've never been an Intellect stat stacker, but I wonder how much we lose or gain in terms of HPS versus regen by removing those little bits of Intellect given that the new regen model is dependent on Intellect levels.

I'm not the best at crunching the numbers, but I probably break 700 spirit and 650 intellect (I can provide more accurate numbers tonight if needed) when fully raid buffed. Is the haste gem more beneficial for me at that point or should I keep my little bits of healing/intellect?

 

Veldefice

I don't start off with flash, you should always use PW:S or PoM before flash. Instants should always be the first heal. Having PW:S on CD is often times not the case and if your target is consistently pulling aggro before the weakened soul debuff, he/she needs to cool it off a bit.

I've seen plenty of people die before I can get a flash heal off after PW:S. It happens. I just want to do everything possible to save someone, but waiting for a gheal to hit someone just doesn't seem to do it for me.

Like I said, just my opinion. People heal differently. There isn't just one way to heal.

 

Smark

Ive read a lot of information in this thread about the disadvantages of using Flash Heal as opposed to Greater Heal (lower rank)... Let me know if you think my assumptions are off based or stupid and whatnot, but heres basically what I do for raids...

Raid buffed stats (from memory, i could be a little bit off):
~2370 +healing
~880 mana regen (not casting)
~330 mana regen (while casting)
~15% holy crit chance

I usually have two different mentalities for raiding: Trash healing and Boss healing. I couldnt care less about mana efficiency during trash pulls, except for possible some of the Azgalor trash that can be rather lengthy. Basically during trash I either CoH the melee taking damage (think Azgalor trash) and some possible raid wide damage (think Blood Mages on the way to Teron), or I Flash Heal to keep people topped off. Im usually in a spot for raid healing and not so much tank healing (though I have been known to be assigned specifically to tank healing). It seems to me that Ghealing during trash (unless on a tank) is rather useless. Generally if a mage gets aggro on a BT trash mod he is going to get one shot unless he iceblocks or something to prevent the damage. My Flash Heals tend to crit more then 15% of the time from what ive seen. Non-crit avg out at about 2800-3000 and when I crit i can heal for up to 4k.

Our raid makeup is 2 resto druids, a resto shaman, 2 CoH priests, 1 IDS priest, and usually 3 paladin healers. Paladins are FoL spammers, thats where they get their mana efficiency. 9 times out of 10 by the time i get a gheal off (DURING TRASH) its a huge overheal, therefore I stick with Flash Heal for Trash.

During bosses is a completely different story. Flash Heal basically gets replaced with GHeal (Rank 1/2), seldom using Flash Heals except for when someone gets a dot on them that would otherwise kill them before a gheal can go off. Renews on the tanks, i tend to stay away from PW:S because of its mana inefficiency. Binding Heal is also a very situational spell that has many uses (IF YOU KNOW WHEN TO USE IT).

Im a CoH priest, I love it, theres so many places that I can think of where It has its uses. Being one of the two CoH priests in the guild, its great. Its one of the only Instant Cast Heals in the game. Its good for times such as if you need heals while Supremus is after you. You lose all its mana efficiency when you are only hitting yourself with it, but ~1k HPS on the move isnt bad, especially if you can throw a renew on yourself.

Maybe Im retarded and should have rolled a paladin. Anyway heres the WWS for my guild Wow Web Stats Im listed there under Callahan, other CoH priest is Tiron. I'll check back on this in a few hours when Im at home.

 

BulgarBG

Only one thing to keep in mind is that with the new changes and if you are around T6 lvl of gear 15 spirit is just about equal if not better then 6mp/5 and double in value for out of combat.


When I swapped my enchant I stayed at the exact same mp/5 in combat and gained 6mp/5 out of combat.


It is absolutely dirt cheap enchant, 2 gpe, so if you haven't changed yet might as well

 

• sordee

The glory that is COH! The only non-cooldown-limited Instant Heal in the game. (Pw:S, Holy Shock, and Swift Mend being at effective 15s)

 

Realshaggy

I'm sorry if somebody else asked before, but how exactly do the following things stack?


Spiritual Healing 5/5 (Tier 6 Holy Talent, increases healing for all spells by 10%)
and
T6 4pc-Bonus (increases healing from Greater Heal by 5%)


Spiritual Healing 5/5 (Tier 6 Holy Talent, increases healing for all spells by 10%)
and
Improved Renew 3/3 (increases healing from Renew by 15%)


Healing Prayers 2/2 (T5 Holy Talent, -20% mana cost on PoH and PoM)
and
T6 2pc-Bonus (-10% mana cost on PoH)


Mental Agility (T4 Disc-Talent, -10% mana cost on instant cast spells)
and
Healing Prayers 2/2 (T5 Holy Talent, -20% mana cost on PoH and PoM)


Thanks in advance.

 

Sinndir

Hiya Kass,

Always enjoyed looking at your armory, heh. Anywho to the gem discussion I posted a bit earlier that I personally think all blues should be [Sparkling Empyrean Sapphire], all yellows [Quick Lionseye], and possibly even all reds.

As for the math here is what I have on my guild forums for our guild priests:

As for me, my intel is high enough that I can't even justify putting in [Luminous Pyrestone] anymore. I've already changed to [Quick Lionseye]. I also noticed that you have the new alchemist's stone, so I'm going to assume with you as with my gear (though you have better gear) you generally do not have mana problems?

If not then haste is the way to go. No other stat will increase your healing output more than 10 haste in a gem slot.

I find that I do the most healing when buffed with heroism, so why not try to attain that. Personally I would love to get to a 1 second GCD, however the haste that would take to get that is a lot so I'm aiming for 1.2 GCD all the time.

These variables are thanks to Havoc for correcting me when I had them wrong before.

Assume you want a 1.0 second GCD you would have:

1.0 = 1.5/(1+1/1570*S) ===> Isolate S
S = [(B/T) - 1]/c ===> Solve
S = [(1.5/1.0)-1]/1/1570
S = [0.5]/(1/1570)
S = 785 (A little much for haste at this stage in the game)

I'm shooting for a 1.2 GCD so I need:

S = [(1.5/1.2)-1]/c
S = [0.25]/(1/1570)
S = 392 Haste

Once I am through with Sunwell gear I should have (including gem slots):

Helm: [Cowl of Light's Purity] = 40 Haste w/ haste gem
Neck: [Brooch of Nature's Mercy] = 33 Haste [73 total]
Cloak: [Shroud of the Highborne] = 32 Haste [105 total]
Chest: [Robes of Faltered Light] = 42 Haste w/ haste gem [147 total]
Bracer: [Cuffs of Absolution] = 26 Haste w/ haste gem [173 total]
Weapon: Golden Staff of the Sin'dorei - http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr...oldenstaff.jpg - 42 Haste w/ gem [215]
Wand: [Wand of Cleansing Light] - 18 Haste w/ gem [233 total]
Trinket: [Battlemaster's Alacrity] - 40 Haste [273 total]
Rings: 2x [Blessed Band of Karabor] - 60 Haste [333 total]
Boots: [Boots of Absolution] - 29 Haste w/ gem [362 total]
Legs: [Pantaloons of Calming Strife] - 10 Haste w/ gem [372 total]
Waist: [Belt of Absolution] - 14 Haste [386 total]
Hands: [Handguards of the Dawn] - 37 Haste w/ gem [423 total]

I don't really like the [Shawl of Wonderment] but I dunno if I do include it in this set (pending drops)

Shoulders: [Shawl of Wonderment] = 43 w/ gem [466 total haste]

466 is a crazy amount and I am sure my +heal would go up to about 2200 unbuffed, spirit would be very high as well. The only downfall is I may not have the regen to support this much haste which is where the trinket would be dropped for memento and alchem stone combo. Possibly using the absolution shoulders with 2x 10 spirit gems.

Only time will tell how good the haste will be but everytime I get heroism I love how much I can heal.

 

Sinndir

First one: (Greater Heal Amount)*1.1*1.05 (Or just Greater Heal *1.155)
Second one: (Renew Heal Amount)*1.1*1.15 (Or just Renew*1.265)
Third One: (PoH mana cost )*0.8*0.9 (or just PoH mana cost*0.72)
*Note Haven't had healing Prayers forever, but I'm going to assume it is like this.
Last one: (Spell cost)*.9*.8 or (Spell cost*.72)
*Note Again haven't had healing prayers forever.

 

Flinkindolin

As a fan of healing prayers, I'll take this opportunity to verify that Sinndir's uncertainties are in fact certainties. (that is, to say, he's right)