Senrith

It's also a fair bit easier to get rid of PMC now. A short term alternative would be to have different items (i.e. items more stuffed with stam for when it's a key part of your survival) to swap around. I definitely didn't have 10k health when we started BT either (My guild started about right when 2.4 came up). You eventually hit a point in T6 content where a certain threshold of health will be standard practice. (I'd say Archimonde, Shahraz and up) By then though, you should have upgraded PMC from either piece that has dropped. There's always badges if you need an immediate upgrade.

There's really good chances that you'll upgrade PMC before "really" needing the extra health.

 

Starfire

Good reaction times and keeping up your power word: shield or using nightmare vines will also take you a long way in regards to Najentus and Rage. You should be fine with 8.5k hp or so, just make sure you always put up your power word: shield. Also the 10% damage reduction talent works for both Rage and Najentus. (10% of 8500 damage is effectively 85 stamina).

 

Mideci

Increasing your crit doesn't meaningfully increase your inspiration uptime. There are stats on it somewhere, but I failed at my first pass on finding the link. In short, I'm not real sure that adding those points to Holy Spec is actually doing what you think it's doing, tiltie. That said, I don't really disagree with you on renew. If you aren't using it, or it isn't really ticking on anyone, then having it tick for 15% more is not particularly important, for obvious reasons.

As for spell haste, it's a wonderful tool. It's going to be rare that a good priest wasn't in mid-cast when someone was about to die. If you instead completed the heal and saved a life, well, again you have your answer. There's a lot of personal opinion about whether you need 2500 +heal or whether you don't. I'm in the camp that says you don't. Your gheal doesn't radically differ at 2200 +heal or 2500 +heal. You can see the difference for yourself fairly easily (or use whatever you gear allows). Given how much heal is overheal anyway, landing those slightly smaller heals more often feels like a win to me.

I'm not of the opinion you have to wait until you are at the end of Sunwell to make the transition either. But you are anyway, so do whatever you feel comfortable with.

 

uh...ok

I think the link you were looking for is this one:
Holy Priest Theorycrafting

The gist of it is that 5/5 Holy Spec is really nice if you're solo healing a tank, but you start seeing a significant amount of DRs if you have more than one inspiration-enabled healer on the tank.

 

Maive

Thanks for pointing this out, not sure why I read this wrong several times, maybe wishful thinking. This certainly changes the effectiveness of the 2 piece bonus.

 

• Distomos

I might've missed this topic within the last few pages, but really cannot find any adequate discussion on it. With the changes to the professions coming to our doorstep nearly every day, does anyone else find themselves toiling with keeping either both or one of their professions?

Obviously, we all like to minimize/maximize to our best potential. For example, I changed to Enchanting a while back due to the awesomeness of the +20 healing to rings. However, I'm wondering if a combination of Leatherworking (albeit the nerf to drums) and Enchanting would be more raid viable in the expansion rather than Alchemy at this point. Or, perhaps Blacksmithing with its additional sockets... or Jewelcrafting with its three Prismatics? I'm really wondering what the Enchanting wands will look like, too. It's all so difficult to choose from!

Really, we don't know "too much" yet since they are still tweaking things, but I would like to level a new profession earlier rather than later, when the rush of everyone else "figuring out what works" comes at the auction house market full-blast. Anyone having similar thoughts?

 

Liriel

I dont think that you can tell what is usefull at the moment. Especialy since nobody knows what they will do with the manareg. There was a post that blizz thinks its way too good at the moment. And some other things are not fixed either. However I will hold on to tailoring since I'm something like the guild-tailor. But that will not help you with your decission. ;-) I will not learn blacksmithing since my alt is a warrior-tank with blacksmithing and I dont want to go through that again...

If you want to tweak your professions - do you want to be it optimal for lvl70 or for lvl80?

 

Zomgdie

Currently I'm planning on remaining tailoring and alchemy. I'm sure there will be some sort of lvl 80 craftable gear for tailors and the amount of pots elixirs flasks i go through etc will probably be more than worthwhile.

 

Thorongil

It seems a bit early to talk about which profession will yield most benefit at Level 80. Especially Alchemy seems way underpowered at the moment (it´s nice to get cheaper potions, but that does not boost your strength). They have to replace the Alchemist´s Stone in some way (it´s near-useless in its current design with only 1 potion per fight, especially in longer fights). For the time being I tend to keep Alchemy and Herbalism for WotlK, though, if Alchemy does not get buffed I strongly consider dropping it in favor of Tailoring or Enchanting (maybe even Inscription, depending on the worth of one extra glyph).

 

constantius

At the moment, the strongest contenders for professions are JC, Enchanting, and Leatherworking. Once they finish Tailoring (i.e. the BoP set(s), the embroideries, and the upgraded version of the leg enchant) it'll be a slightly different story.

It's odd that LWing is so solid, but +50 spellpower to bracers (over the regular traded version) and the upgraded leg armor make it stronger than Tailoring until it gets finished. Once it's finished, I assume Tailoring will be a very strong contender for longevity -- we're looking for things that will last past the first raid zone; things like upgraded epic leg armors, extra enchants, extra sockets, special gems, ring enchants, etc, etc..

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uh...ok

I realize that this is going to be irrelevant in 3.0, but how many people currently downrank CoH? It just occurred to me today (yes, I'm late to the party once again) that CoH 4 shares the same coefficient as CoH 5 because it's trained after level 65 (i.e. it isn't affected by downranking penalty). So the difference is essentially in the decreased base healing (39-43hp per target per cast) but with the gain of 38 mana per cast. This seems to be a pretty good tradeoff to me. Thoughts?

 

Mideci

I downrank CoH all the time. It has a freaking terrible coefficient anyway being an instant cast, zero-duration spell. Don't believe me? Compare the tooltip values on CoH rank 1 and CoH rank 5 with the actual heal values. CoH 1 is often my preferred CoH, except when the damage is big and / or the mana pool is untaxed. Illidan Phase 2, ZA Flame Casters, etc. get the big ranks. Spirit Bolts on Hex Lord, Bloodboil, etc. do not.

 

Qotie

I knew it was going to happen...

http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce...81722&r2=81866

 

leggomyeggo

Since spirit regen got nerfed in wotlk i guess stacking spirit with a mix of mp5 is better again?

 

constantius

Actually, stacking int is > both. They've stated they're moving away from spirit as a regen model, so get ready to stack intellect in your gear over stacking spirit. I'm still going for a balance, so I'm valuing it roughly as spirit = int > crit > spellpower = haste > Mp5.

Do the math on 0.0025% of your mana pool per second regen (Replenishment) + Mana Pool as a function of fight length (5 minutes is a good baseline) + I5SR regen from Spirit+Int + Mp5. Anything you 'gain' from Serendipity / SoL / IHC can be just tossed in on top as a percentage -- something like 20% is a good starting point. It's really hard to model them all as accurate #s without making blanket assumptions about things like spellpower and crit %.

What it works out to is that I'm aiming for 2000-1000-1100-15% to start (spellpower/spirit/int/crit%) Naxx.10 (raid-buffed, no moonkin aura) and by the time I'm done Naxx.25, I should be running 2600-1200-1400-25% + 10% haste. It scales *hugely* in the first zone. I should have no mana issues whatsoever by the end of Naxx.25. Just IHC procs will keep me running forever; at 30% raid-buffed crit, 1 in 7 GHeals is free.

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phinn

i'm wondering now, with the changes to spell pushback and the increased importance of crit, would putting talents into holy specialization be best for tier 1? and then just dropping healing focus entirely. Any thoughts?

 

Thorongil

Check Priest_Discipline_Holy_WotlK_Discussion for any such questions (don´t ask it there, it has already been adressed).

 

Starfire

So, we're going to be using 16 int gems?

 

constantius

In WotLK, yes, occasionally. At least, until we get enough T7.25-level pieces (ilvl 213+) to get our mana pool significantly above 20k mana. Then we'll be dropping them and restacking haste.

My current plan is:
1) Get my regen back up to Sunwell levels while in Naxx.10
2) Start stacking crit until I hit 25% raid-buffed (with moonkin)
3) Stack haste on top of this.

End goal: 25% crit, 20% haste, 500 Mp5 I5SR (with BoW), not counting Mana Spring. And ~ 2600 spellpower. Should be very doable in only T7-level gear (i.e. ilvl 213+ across the board; mostly from Naxx.25, odd pieces from Malygos.25 or Sarth.25).

I'll be using a mixture of gems; some pure spirit, some pure int, and the odd int/crit or int/spirit or whatever to make socket bonuses work. There's almost no socket bonus that isn't worth socketing for now, at least, for holy priests.

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dooddad

Hi. just want to bring the discussion back to macros. First, I dont know much about the mecanichs of macros. So I am here to ask for help in getting macros set up and also to discus what macros should be made for WOTLK.

First im wondering if we can make a macro to target the tank, im guessing by using the focus feature, and then cast guardian spirit, and bind it to one key, and perhaps, depending on the creativity of the macro maker, can we also bind a greater heal to cast automatically after the guardian spirit is cast. Im also interested in binding the focus target and a binding heal in one key.

The second macro that i want is one to bind my trinket to a healing button. I found


/script UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE");
#showtooltip Circle of Healing
/use Lower City Prayerbook
/cast Circle of Healing
/script UIErrorsFrame:RegisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE");

on an earlier post, but as i mentioned, i dont know how the mechanics of macros work, and im wondering if this macro is a good macro that works after the new content patch and what are the things that need to change in order to bind it to other trinkets adn heals. For example how can i bind greater heal and ribbon of sacrifice together.

I also read this macro ealrier as a macro for shackles,


#showtooltip
/clearfocus [modifier:shift]
/clearfocus [button:2]
/clearfocus [target=focus,dead]
/clearfocus [target=focus,noexists]
/focus [target=focus,noexists]
/cast [target=focus] Shackle Undead

but Im not sure how this macro works. the guy did not explain it. If this works how I think it works, then im hoping to modify it for pvp and bind it to silence so that i can target the caster i want to silence and silence him automatically. so can anyone explain to me how this macro works, do i have to target first or does it remember who its supposed to target, and also how we can modify it to silence.

The last one I was interested in was binding dispel magic to a renew, but now that we have the remove magic inscription that heals target for 6% total damage after dispeling, im wondering if that is now needed. So far I have the renew and the dispel magic gliphs.

On a side note, I found this site a week ago. A pugger saw how I was strugling at healing since I had just respeced to holy for the first time in a year adn a half ( I think shadow will still be a gimp spec for wotlk) and he told me to check these jerks out. I got to say I really love the 58 pages i read, though I skipped most of the info on specific high end raid bosses since im not gona participate in that. I did almost nothing for a day but read these forums. when i relogged I found myself with 1800 + healing and healing ZA for the first time. I was partnered with a 2100 druid and i only used 4 pots doing everyboss up to links. I overhealed more than he did but he ran out of mana and i did not. I also was lower in the healing meters, but the fact that I only used 4 pots was teh shishnik in my books. SO thanks to all the leet math doers for all the time u put in and for all the pov's shared here. I look forward to all the new knowledge that we will be discovering about priests as we continue to progress in wotlk.

 

Dethnote

#showtooltip -- Shows the tooltip for Shackle Undead
/clearfocus [modifier:shift] -- clears your focus if you hold shift
/clearfocus [button:2] -- also clears your focus if you right click the button on your hotbar.
/clearfocus [target=focus,dead] -- clears if the focus target is dead
/clearfocus [target=focus,noexists] -- clears focus if focus target doesn't exist
/focus [target=focus,noexists] -- sets your current target as a focus target, if you don't have a focus target
/cast [target=focus] Shackle Undead -- casts Shackle on your focus target

So basically, if you don't have a focus the macro sets it for you on the first button press and on the 2nd it casts Shackle. If you hit it while your target is either dead or doesn't exist, it will clear it and then set the new one. If you don't have something targeted, it will just clear it.

 

dooddad

Wow. Thanks for the explanation. like I said the mechanichs of macros is something i have not learned yet. So thanks for the explanation. Im also wondering still if anyone knows if any of the other macros Im interested in making are feasable. if they can be created or are theoretically not possible to make. However, Im no longer interested in binding the tank as focus target and binding the guardian spirit to it. Since my guardian spirit has saved our squishy aoers. So Im interested in comming up with a macro for guardian spirit adn greater heal, without setting a focus target on it. So once again if anyone can direct me in the creation of such macros, or to a website that can terach me the mechanics of macro building, I would really apreciate it.

 

Crow

Isn't that 'Sets your current target as a focus target, if you don't have a focus target?'