Artoxia

Means that the simulations would have been 6000, 1500 and 1100 hours of simulation (instead of 5000,500,100).

If it is like this, i woud be even more confused about the big difference between 1500 hrs and 1100hrs simulations

Especially the Agility EP-Values: 2.21 vs. 1.72

 

◊ Embar

The big difference would probably have not been there if you had used the above hours, though (although it's still a possiblity). You can't say you would have been more confused because the numbers would not have been the ones above.

If in doubt, you can just run the sims several times over, and then average out all the results. Being a sim, fluke results can and do happen especially on short duration sims (like your 100 hours).

 

Artoxia

Average EP-Values from 5 Simulations (5000 hrs of hack'n'slash)

2.03 CritR
1.97 HitR
1.72 HasteR
0.35 ArP
2.01 Agi
3.54 Exp

my actual stats (unbuffed):

1750 AP
29,31 % CritR
57 HitR
266 ArP
10 Exp.

(Raidstaus: 5/5 MH, 4/9 BT)

Im just wondering why there's such a big difference between my agility/crit values and the T6 values in the theorycraft( Agi 2,01 vs 1.69 | Crit 2.03 vs. 1.74)

 

evilution

The simulator by default includes a feral druid in your group for the 5% crit bonus (at least it did the last time I used it) which lead to a lower valuation of Crit and Agility. I have a feeling the default values we used to follow included a feral druid in your group.

My personal Crit / Agility values have always been closer to STR (almost always over 2) since I never have a feral druid in my party (even running 36% crit un-buffed now the value is still over 2).

 

Sashiel

If you want consistent results, run the sim for 100,000 hours.

 

Triper

You can also set it to run for 1,000,000 hours while you sleep. Such a long run means you'd don't have to average the results together.

 

Waagaa

Your assumptions aren't correct.

You "Base miss rate" is 17% without any spell hit.
With 3% spell hit from the rest talents that goes down to 14%.

You should observe a (17 / 14 - 1) * 100% = 21.4% increase in resisted shocks with the elemental sub-build.

25% is high though. Was CoE up on him? Maybe he has some kind of native FR?

 

Aximous

There wasn't elements, but none of the other bosses on that parse had elements and the missrate of flame shock is only this extremly high on archimonde and akama (though I used flame shock twice on akama). On older parses the same happens usually but I can't link others because of free wws account.

Eventhough thanks for pointing out the calculation for missrate.

 

Artoxia

I searched for a listing of nacklaces (EP Values) because some items are missing on lootrank.com.

Did someone alyready calculate EP values for necklaces? (exalted reward from shattered sun for example)

 

Aximous

They are already implented in yo's sim run few sims with necklaces toggled off then run some with them toggled on average the values you got for both and substract the one without the necklace from the one with necklaces, you got the dps increase of the proc. Divide that number with your dps ep value and voila you got the ep value of the proc.

 

Ardonomus

Removed.

 

fishybob

I've been trying my darndest, but cannot figure out the EP value of the proc from syphon of the nathrezim. Yo's simulator doesn't have it, and I'm curious about dual wielding it


searching availed no results.

 

Utters

Last report I saw about it in the old Enhancement Shaman thread was that the proc was negligible. Something in the neighborhood of ~19,000 for a full BT from the WWS logs that were posted.

Edit: Here is the post in question.

 

fishybob

I can tell that it's negligible since I've been using one in my offhand (claw of molten fury MH) for a long time. But what are its EP values when compared to, say, the 20 agility and 38 AP of the claw of molten fury?

 

Utters

Ok it took me a few minuets to figure out the best way to approach this but I have came up with what I feel is the easiest way to test it. Please though if anyone else sees something I am completely missing, or is better with maths please chime in. Now we know Malan said it was less than 1% but gave us no actual figure here so unless you have a WWS with a real % figure we'll assume less than 1% is close enough to 1% to round. Now you run the sim without the claw's 20 agi and 38 ap. Then run it again with it. If you see a >1% dps increase, which I am sure you will, it is obviously a downgrade to the claw. Alternatively if you had a large WWS log and an exact % contribution number you could increase your atp in the sim until it gets the same % increase and you should be left with the EP value of the proc.

 

fishybob

After 5k hours testing, double syphon (not factoring in the proc) came out to 1529 dps. (raid buffed, no haste pots)

With the claw of molten fury in the MH, 1518 dps after 5k hours.


An increase in dps = double syphon is the best we can get until mounting vengeance drops from Sunwell.

 

Chr

I am currently dual wielding syphons. And I can tell you the proc from this is negligible. Here is a WWS parse of the back end of BT run if you interested in the numbers: WWS Loading...

 

Axkva

I've been trying to figure out whether it's worth making another Dragonstrike, based on what the double-proc would do for my attack speed (dropping it to almost 1sec), but I've yet to find any solid yes or no answer - anyone done any theory on this please?

 

frozndevl

As mentioned in another of the shaman enhancement posts, they point to a warrior thread that says it is only refreshing the proc, not stacking them. Quite similar to executioner then in execution (god that was horrible).

 

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Lujaar

The T6 values in theorycraft are based on optimal pre-Sunwell gear. That gear set has about 1750 AP, same as you have, but a lot more hit and crit. Crit is more valuable to you because you have proportionally less of it compared to your AP.

 

hellabad

hi guys just a little question regarding EP values

as a orc i come with the rather handy + 5 expertise on axes racial, now since this is a golden stat for us its a no brainier that a axe MH will have a big benefit.

recenlty ive been trying to figure out which would be a better item to aim for out of a s3/s4 OH axe like Brutal Gladiator's Chopperor Mounting Vengeance

my question is it possible to figure out EP value of expertise for ONLY the oh?

since the OH item does 50% less damage does that mean the ep of the +5 expertise i gain from the orc racial is worth less on my OH than it would be on a MH?

The Enh post in the theorycrafting think tank stated that

Weapon DPS EP Values

1 MH DPS = 9.03 EP
1 OH DPS = 3.70 EP

so should the expertise EP value be converted by the same(or similar) ratio?

ie:

expertise EP
t4/t5
MH:3 OH:1.22
t6
MH:3.18 OH:1.30
sunwell
MH:3.53 OH:1.45

sorry if this has been covered before but the forum search refuses to look for the term 'OH' cos its too short & typing in offhand & off hand brought no results >_<

 

Pitbuller

I calculated this when expertice was new stat. I noticed that its not the same ratio than wdps ep. When SS attacka table is rolled there is only dodge for mh and that why the ratio is like 3 : 1. Run sim many time and see the dps different and then just calculate it for yourself.

Slow, slower, shaman weapon.

 

Bain

Hi,

Slightly off-topic, but i have to ask if I'm doing something wrong.

Are many people putting a little too much emphasis on the Dragonstrike proc? With my current level of gear, the 2BoJ weapons easily come out on top of having Dragonstrike in the MH or the OH. In fact, the only combo that seems to beat it is the Syphon(MH)+BoJ Fist(OH), that is, pre-Sunwell.

I'm using Yo!'s sim, and I include in it that I wait for my WF cooldown to expire(3sec), before i hit Stormstrike. I'm just a little concerned as I remember reading one of Toots posts about the sims slightly skewing the number of WF procs when waiting for the WF cooldown. Or was that just Tornhoof's sim?

 

Shipo

We love Dragonstrikes because its a on hit proc .
I've always loved this kind of procs due to the fact that I don't need to watch when to pop them and remmeber to hit them again when they are up.

Its the same reason we belive that DST is top(or second to shard) trinket in game.
I can't wait to try Dragonstrike in the OH with Syphon in the MH. The 2xDragon setup would require above avarage hit rating from gear to make the extra haste gained worth it.

As for the engy goggles, unfortunately we can only get the mail version. Cursed Visions....well I got 3 rogues(and maybe 1 warrior) ahead of me on DKP ><. It will be a long time till I get that(unless they crash during a kill or some cataclysm hits their homes ).

PS: first kill on Illidan last night....and I owe this to all you guys that kept this forums going and gave us new tricks to enhance our enhancement DPS ^_^ /love

Illidan first kill