Impact - yes
Ignite - yes, but only if target isn't fire immune
Flame Throwing - neither range increase talent works on FFB
Burning Soul - yes
MoE - no, MoE is a proc on a per cast basis, thus there is only 1 chance for it to proc.
Critical Mass - yes
Firepower - yes
Pyromaniac -yes
Combustion -yes
Molten Fury - yes, it doesn't double dip though. The double dip seems to only occur when the talented effect mentions both Frost + Fire receiving the buff individually. MF is a universal effect that buffs all damage types (Nature for example if we had any) The exceptions being the range increasing talents.

Elemental Precision - yes, and it doubles up
Ice Shards - yes, unaffected by immunity, the damage is applied directly, not by a debuff like Ignite.
Piercing Ice - yes
Frost Channeling -yes
Shatter - yes
Winter's Chill - yes, unless immune to Frost damage
Arctic Winds - yes
Winter's Grasp - yes

CoE - yes, and doubling up
Improved Scorch - yes
DK Frost vulnerability - yes

I haven't seen any information posted on the effect of single school damage, from gear / consumables. It likely is, but how and to what extent I'm unsure.

Your question on the [Flask of Pure Death] however is a good candidate for doubling up though. In the end it's likely a moot point as this behavior (doubling up) will be nerfed before release.

I think wotlk gives us 3 choices , deep arcane which includes arcane barrage and deeply AM spam not AB ( i know AM doesn't proc MB, i meant the main spell will be AM of arcane spec ) because of the missle barrage , deep fire like old times with new talents burnout hot streak, icy veins and in addition some spirit or cold snap depends on your choice which you will add in arcane or frost etc. , and a deep frost for winter grasp thing.

Imo winter grasp is the new isb for us , raid composition would have frost users which has winter grasp talent and deeply hasted for keeping it as much as they can do and all mages will prefer their talent tree which includes as much shatter as they can and iv ofc. as the old days.

Pretty sure the viable specs (in order of performance) are elementalist, arcane and frost with the way things stand. Currently fire just really doesn't measure up.

Was looking at the calculator updates on the official page, and I decided to dump the data it was parsing to create the page. To my surprise the new Arcane Flows talent had a second unavailable rank listed.

Hmm, well if its made to reduce a full minute on three spells it might be worth throwing IV+AP off sync. Especially if there will be a number of nice 2 min trinkets you can pair it up with. And on a 2 min timer you also get the benifit of having it synched with the potion and managem timer. Managem being less significant uless something similar to SCB turns up at 80, but more APs during a battle plus all of them paired up with a destro pot might outdo what IV does currently.

Regarding fire I really think some top tier content in that tree will change to single target enhancing talents, or at least changed in a way that benifits both AoE and single target damage. Besides arcane talents getting some minor tweaks soon after official statements that mages are getting a polish in general and fire in particular makes me think huger changes than the most recent ones to arcane are at hand. Just like for hunters had to wait a bit extra for their talent trees cause they were getting lots of changes the firetree needs more tweaking than arcane and frost and thus we haveto wait a while.

WG's fine as it is placement wise in my oppinion, the only change needs to be that it only effects spells cast by the mage who procced it.

If Elementalist isn't the best raiding spec by a pretty good margin, what's the point of Frostfire Bolt? It's near useless for leveling. Horrible in PvP. Mediocre at best in 5mans. It needs a lot of synergy to get powerful and requires a lot of setup time. (stacking scorch and WC) I'm very confused with the direction of these changes and pretty underwhelmed with most of the new stuff. That being said, Frost is FUN to play and as long as managing WG is optimal (better than just spamming a single nuke), I think even raiding as Frost could be satisfying as long as the damage is there. (which it might be)

I think the main problem with WG and similar buffs that are good stackingwise is when you buff your own class with it. Imp. Shadowbolt buffed warlock damage primarily which made stacking very good (yeah the curses too), if you just made it so that DKs had WG you wouldn't want to stack mages as you would now.

So what I'm trying to say is that if the buffer also becomes the buffed, you get a very weird synergy suggesting stacking since for every mage you bring you'll have one more bringing buffs, but also one more gaining from it.

Change WG to apply charges instead? Put an internal cooldown on it? What do you recommend being the best fix?

Interesting note from last night's Warlock changes: the Felhunter is apparently going to have a group buff, increasing intellect of raid members within 30 yards by 6%. 2/2 Imp. Felhunter increases this to 8%.

This new rank would be very useful in order to synergive well with other cooldowns like trinkets.
On the other hant, it would requiere one more talent point and it is ever hard to chose between the arcane talents if you want to have 20 points available to improve your filer spell (frostbolt or ffb).

I raided as a warlock of all 3 specs at 70 and frankly the Felhunter was just unusable because of how horrid its damage was. The imp was unusable because it'd die within 5 seconds of taking it out of Phase Shift, and so the only options were the succubus and felguard. And between succubus/felguard, it really just depended how you wanted to spec. 0/40/21 took great advantage of the succubus, whereas 1/44/16 took great advantage of the felguard.

So... maybe if they give the felguard a ton of dps increases then I could see him being useful, but other than that it'd just be a replacement for the imp for an affliction warlock in caster groups... only he's way more vulnerable for the imp so even then I'm not sure he'd be the better choice.





And as for balancing WG, make it a raidwide debuff with two charges. While it's still stackable, you'd really really really have to work bringing 12+ mages to really stack WG. It'd be limited exponential gains, a-la ISB, and wouldn't really be exploitable while still being pretty powerful.

Or realistically you could specifically not make shatter work with non-frost spells (definately NOT with FFB), and WG wouldn't be too insanely overpowered were it only really usable with FB/IL/WE. Though that amount of crit would still favor stacking mages at low levels of progression where crit is more valuable, so I'd say just giving it 2 charges (consumed on crits) would be the best solution.