Zeldyrr

This:

says the opposite of this:

More data, please.

Edit: Sorry, posted the same question the same time as 2 other people.

 

Tukali

There ya go, just need to find a willing DK to arm twist into providing it for you now
Rune of Razorice - Spell - World of Warcraft

 

Nurru

I don't know where these numbers are coming from showing WC is the same as Imp Scorch, but on beta it is definitely not acting as a scorch replacement in my tests.

Starting at 0 stacks and stacking WC to 5
Another test with scorch and no WC:
Now Scorch with WC stacked to 5:
My tests with AM and Imp Scorch / WC
For the first 3 tests I was deep frost, then I switched to elemental to test imp scorch + wc.

Imp Water Elemental isn't restoring mana, Fingers of Frost still doesn't work properly (easily tested with Ice Lance or Deep Freeze). Shattered Barrier is still doing nothing as well.

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Sakku

will it be mage lvl 80's new spell?
Mirror Image - Spell - World of Warcraft

and this:

Mana Link - Spell - World of Warcraft

"Mana Link
40 yd range
Instant
Establishes a mana link to the target, causing spells you cast to draw from the linked target's mana pool instead of your own. Lasts 20 sec. "

 

aikiwoce

You won't find out this build. Neither is classified currently as a mage spell. Blue's might be able to confirm or deny. Also they might be experimenting with a reagent-less Slow Fall w/Light as a Feather - Spell - World of Warcraft.

Edit: Lightweave Embroidery - Spell - World of Warcraft looks completely ridiculous as a cloak enchant, because according to this (click through to description) it's got a 50% chance to proc. I think someone made a tiny mistake.

 

Jakthar

I'm personally guessing that Mirror Image will go to warriors, like the blade dancer in war3.

 

aikiwoce

Read the spell carefully - Mirror Image - Spell - World of Warcraft:
Again it could just be something they are considering, but ultimately decide against.

 

Mekasha

Seeing as Mana Link has no cost, isn't a dispellable magic effect, and the spell is listed as lvl 20 on wowhead, I'd say all signs point to that being an NPC ability.

As for mirror image, it seems more like a damage ability than an escape ability, as everyone comparing it to the War3 version seems to be thinking it is. It's probably just going to be something like Barov Caller/Tiny Voodoo Mask, though hopefully not a gimmicky terrible ability.

 

Nurru

Until Mirror Image ends up as a trainable ability or a Blue post confirms it, speculation about it is mostly pointless and distracting.

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Rattyx

It would also surprise me if they give a spell with a mana cost to warriors.

 

Skallewag

Simply a point of view. All we do in this thread is TC about the unknown, all the math on damage can still be thrown on its head by coming changes. Long story short your idea of fun might not be everyone elses idea of fun. Personally I rather enjoy seeing a new spell grow out from a rumor or some random lines of unidentified spell text in some data mine report, growing and gaining details untill it turns out to reall be a mage spell and we can move on to ponder its behaviour and what this means for damage. What does it means if its a barov pesant caller we get, will lots of minime´s be usefull for anything in a raid? Or if it really does confuse attackes of who is the original what does this mean for pvp, will a change like that add enoughe distraction/defense to make room for arcane in serious arena setups?

Wouldn´t responding to something you claim to ignore, per definition make you a liar?
If so then what does passing judgement on an idea you claim to not know make you?

 

Zinaida

Well i'm really not sure how I screwed that up so badly, maybe the warlocks CoE was up and I didn't notice. Anyway, i'm blaming it on the hangover and blizzard for patching on a saturday, sorry about that

In other news, I tested shattered barrier and unfortunately it isn't working at the moment.

 

Nurru

It has absolutely nothing to do with "my idea of fun", and everything to do with the signal:noise ratio we achieve when people begin posting their ideas/wishes/dreams for abilities that haven't been confirmed. The thread is specifically about Mage talents and abilities in Wrath, and until there is a confirmation on something beyond "Hey look, it's in the MPQs" it's a complete waste of everyone's time for people to post dribble about who they think Mirror Image is for, what it'll do, and why Warriors do or do not get it. Basically, it's one thing to say "This may be our new 80 ability due to ____", it's another to argue when/where it will be useful when we know nothing about it.

The typo on MMO probably didn't help.

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kadgar

This spell seems to be exactly the same as Prophet Skerams Split ability. Which brings up an interesting question: Skeram teleported and cleared all debuffs when splitting, so that it wasn't too obvious which the "main" boss was.
Assuming this will be a new mage spell, will this clear debuffs of the mage? And will it "detarget" the mage like Hunters Feign Death?

 

◊ Lord BEEF

What Nurru said. The speculation about new mage abilities that aren't testable yet is adding a considerable amount of noise to the thread.

 

Rayeth

So back on topic.

If they are changing WC to be the same as Imp Scorch then it is pretty clear they should move WC up or imp scorch down. While they're at it if they move imp scorch down could they tie it to fireball also? too much to ask I guess. Boring rotations aside I think being allowed to not continually have to "ramp up" the main fire nuke with a terrible DPS spell would be a nice addition and maybe bring up Fire's DPS a bit too. Scorch can still be the mana efficient fire spell for when mana is tight.

So this being said I am mildly impressed with the changes to the tree so far. We are in a much better place than we were, albeit there are still some pretty glaring issues (I'm looking at you arcane tree and lower fire tree). I think the frost tree (once they iron out all the bugs in the new abilities) is looking pretty darn good. Deep Freeze looks to be a nice DPS boost if we can afford the mana, Imp WE adds some amazing utility and with the almost assured 1 frost mage in the raid for this it looks like the rest can go 50 arcane and AB spam. That is assuming WC and Imp scorch become non stacking clones of each other.

I would really like the utility of the frost mage to be offset by extra DPS in the other two specs but it doesn't seem to be the case quite yet, so hopefully that is something that will be worked on.

 

Deltrus

Could we get a video of the new arcane barrage launch and hit animations?

 

Nurru

Please read more closely, the WC/Scorch issue was disproved on this same page.

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Lhivera

OK, quick sanity check on Frostbolt vs. Ice Lance vs. Deep Freeze for consuming the second charge on Fingers of Frost. Assuming CSD and EO, providing 227.54% crits. Ignoring all multpliers that affect all three equally (so I'll apply just an extra 1.05 to Frostbolt and Ice Lance). Three gear levels: 2000 damage/80% crit, 2500 damage/85% crit, 3000 damage/90% crit (Frostbolt gets an additional 4% crit). I can show the math if anyone wants, but it's probably not necessary; here are the results:

DPCT @ 2000 Damage + 20% crit
3073.55: Deep Freeze (132.87% Frostbolt)
2313.19: Frostbolt
2223.14: Ice Lance (96.11% Frostbolt)

DPCT @ 2500 Damage + 25% crit
3467.94: Deep Freeze (124.11% Frostbolt)
2794.25: Frostbolt
2604.08: Ice Lance (93.19% Frostbolt)

DPCT @ 3000 Damage + 30% crit
3766.67: Deep Freeze (114.15% Frostbolt)
3299.80: Frostbolt
3008.57: Ice Lance (91.17% Frostbolt)


So, yes, Deep Freeze will be the spell of choice on FoF procs at pretty much every gear level, although the benefit declines as you gear up.


ETA: The cost of Waterbolt has been halved from 10% to 5% of the Water Elemental's base mana. The cost of Freeze has been increased from 14% to 25% of the Water Elemental's base mana. No question it'll be able to DPS for its full duration now -- in fact, it probably won't even benefit from its own regeneration aura unless you actually use the Freeze or it gets mana burned.

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Talbain

Anyone confirm these changes? Also, can someone post a video of the new Arcane Barrage?

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aikiwoce

The Mana Shield change looks like it's legit - according to wowhead Mana Shield - Spell - World of Warcraft.

I'd like to know if he's referring to Arcane Missiles with or without Improved Arcane Missiles not firing the 5th if hit. I'm assuming he's got IAM, and it's a bug with how they implemented the new Channeled Spell Pushback Diminishing Returns.

 

Jebo

Sorry for the unclear wording. That was with IAM.

A Missile Barrage'd IAM will also only hit 4 times while being struck.

 

alia

Mana shield changes confirmed.

Here's a video of the new ABar animations.

YouTube - Arcane Barrage Animations

That bit in the beginning is me failing miserably to show my spell damage and crit (1267 and 53.41% with AP hax) and the new Mana Shield (@ lvl 70 150 mana to cast and then absorbs 715 damage, drains 1 mana per damage) (w/ 2/2 Arcane Shielding)

 

Spiry

I'm curious as to what the pulsing around your feet is? Are you abusing the fact PoM wont proc off instants, thus is giving perma crit?

 

alia

Not necessarily "abuse", but yes (that'd be the AP hax I made mention to).