Fireball and FFB should refresh the duration of the dot on the target, just like the new Shadow Priest talent "Pain and Suffering" (with respect to Shadow Word: Pain and Mind Flay) and like Lifebloom currently functions. The code is already available and it really doesn't make sense why firing more Fireballs at someone would stop them burning.

I hope they fix ignite while they are at it.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage...00020000000000

I somehow see this as the new Frost spec for PvP assuming Potency remains the same. 100% crits...

Except you can't cast frostbolt or sheep without losing POM.

So don't blow PoM when you're going to do that? Not to mention that PoM can give you on demand sheeping.

I'd much rather have an instant ranged stun on a 30second cooldown over 3min pom. What would you possibly cast with pom up with that spec?

I think a lot of people are overlooking the passive magic resistance mages have available with the new talents for pvp. Magic absorption plus arcane shielding is some serious resistance I don't think any class can match. Obviously a mage can't pick and choose an opponent but vs casters right now in beta, these talents plus mage armor makes opponent casters almost a sure win. Partial resists have been tweaked to be more consistent, and the way I see it is this is in the mages favor.

Well, maybe. I'm not sure you'd want that in a 2s situation though.

While the resists are a plus they are fairly trivial to counter. Existing S4 gear, (OH,Wand,S3/S4 ring) and cloak enchant give up to 111 spell penetration without much sacrifice.
At level 80 with appropriate talents and mage armor we're looking at 140 resist all. A nice perk but imho negated fairly easily in the same way the 70 resist all ( or 54 with 4/5 MD) is not an issue now fighting warlocks.

It might be of some value against ccing hybrids/healers or if resistances are more focused on in wotlk.

Several mobs in Utgarde Keep apply a 100% increased damage buff which is stealable, that is what gives 20k crits from ~6k. Also, in the same way FFB double-dipped in damage increasing effects it did (havn't really played around this build) the same with damage decreasing effects.

When I was leveling I reported mobs in Zul'drak for having both fire and frost resistance as it is simply cruel, soon after I realised almost all mobs +1 or higher than me were resisting significant amounts most, if not all the time. That may just be Zul'Drak mobs though. The water elementals in Zul'Drak for example are frost immune, as you would expect, however they also resisting 500ish off each fireball/frostfire/ bolt (they were only +1/+2 at the time).

Until you reach 33% haste, an FFB/FB*3 cyce is longer than 9s lets you keep all 3 FFB ticks.
Ignoring Hot Streak and whatever it does to your rotation:
5332 - Frostfirebolt Spam (no DoT ticks)
5416 - Fireball spam (incl. 1 DoT tick)
5489 - FFB*1/FB*3 (incl. 3 FFB and 4 FB DoT ticks)

5704 - Damage per cast time of 1 FFB with 3 DoT ticks.

I never actually thought of that, thanks!
Now we need a mod that tells us when our last 2 spells were crits and tracks previous HSs to predict if we should cast FFB after the spell you're currently casting.

"Living in interesting times" indeed.


It apparently happened on the last boss, Ingvar the Plunderer.
The mage claims that the mob went below 20% before before getting hit by both, the 3.8k hit and 20k crit back to back.

Screenie: http://www.naega.de/wow/screens/wotl...008_231451.jpg
Info Link: WoW-Europe.com Forums -> [Bug?] Frostfire Bolt

Just in case anyone want to experiment with it a bit.



Also, I finally got around to plugging Arcane Blast into other specs:

In Deep Frost specs it's 2% better DPS when spammed, but you lose more damage when ramping it up than you gain in the end.
In Deep Fire, it's just flat out worse than Fireball and Frostfire Bolt.
Even though there are very few talents that affect Blast spam, DPS without them plummets into uselessness.
Blast spam is a total waste without Arcane Talents.

This is exactly my perspective. Say what you want about raid mana regen, I still have extremely high doubts that an instant cast for 1000 mana every 12 seconds will be sustainable during a rotation.

Yet AB Spam is sustainable?

Between JoW, BoW, Imp WE, Mana Spring, Spriest, you should have enough mana to sustain it, especially if crits from it proc MoE.

Would it be better to pick up clearcasting w/ LB, or stay 0/51/20 and not use LB in rotation?

Compared to now they buffed JoW in Wotlk to the sky (Maybe except for AM spam) oO

Everything that I have read says that Spriest regen should be about the same because of damage scaling, and pots no longer cause the potion sickness.


Spriest VT was always not that great of implementation, it would get more and more nerfs the better gear got, largely because it would scale much better than mana pools. This was especially noticeable from Classic -> TBC, damage increased by a ton, mana pools did not scale that well.

They nerfed Spriest regen to 40% (from 5% to 2%). Their DPS would have to increase by 150% to match its current output at the same gear level.

WoW Forums -> Stop the Presses!!!! WHUT?

And it is 2.5%.

Current DPS for mages is about 2k at SWP, late BT. You are TCing it above 5K in WotLK, which is a 150% increase. I don't see why spriests won't do the same, especially w/ the changes to SW:P and they won't have mana issues as much.

But this is getting off-topic.

And mana costs would have to stay the same, which is clearly not the case.

Apparently the debuff is gone but the effect is still there ("you cannot drink more").

Ref: The WotLK profession thread

Even if fire mages would have to switch from Molten Armor to Mage Armor to sustain LB, it would still be very a substantial DPS increase.

However, there was a bluepost stating, that they are reworking the manacosts of all spells, until that hasn't finished, it doesn't makes much sense to discuss if LB is sustainable or not.

You're fucking delusional.

Quick question regarding imp. scorch and winter's chill. Do they stack?

10% damage != 10% crit on fire/arcane/frost

So unless either of them has been changed, or explicitly states they don't work together, they should.

Indeed, VT was always going to break at some gear level simply because spell costs are fixed. It simply does not make sense to convert damage to mana at a fixed ratio when DPM ratios are almost always increasing. The only obvious solution would be for each spellcast to return a fixed amount of mana.

And to be honest, I'm concerned the same sort of thing can happen with the Water Elemental. We still have the same basic problem that spell costs do not scale up, yet mana regen is being allowed to scale up.