Lhivera

They would receive points at 20, 24, 28, 32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64, 68, 72, 76, 80, totaling 16 points.

Pathetic earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void, without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe, anything at all, you would've hidden from it in terror. -Ming the Merciless

 

Gokey

I don't think it's possible with this template, unfortunately.

 

Sean

Hrm, so 21 points with the Ferocity tree. I think I'd go something like this:

2/2 Cobra Reflexes
3/3 Great Stamina

2/2 Loyalty
3/3 Spiked Collar
1/1 Boar's Speed

1/1 Charge
3/3 Avoidance

1/1 Heart of the Phoenix
2/2 Spider's Bite

1/1 Rabid
1/1 Call of the Wild
1/1 Lick Your Wounds

Either that or go 1/3 Greater Stamina, lose Boar's Speed, and put 3/3 into Great Resistance

Btw, pets get resists automatically as they level - at 70 they have 120 sv all.

 

Roywyn

Working Theories of Theorycrafting as of 2.1

Type or copy-paste or make a macro that does:
Everytime you cast a spell, this thing will display all cooldowns of your abilities on your action bars.
That means you'll see a lot of numbers for your GCD, and some numbers of spells with an actualy cooldown.

Do a relog/reload to get rid of the numbers again.

The Blue Bar and you - the complete Fire Mage 2.4 mana compendium: http://elitistjerks.com/658230-post3191.html

DPS spec and class comparison in Naxxramas gear: http://code.google.com/p/simulationc...i/SampleOutput
This assumes Rune of Razorice and Slow for Torment unless noted as "No TtW".
More detailed at http://elitistjerks.com/923110-post2775.html

And [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] doesn't proc on AM.

 

Zediono

Pet talents look good so far. I think for raiding you could use either the ferocity or cunning trees with good effect.

I have one question though. What happens when you have an Explosive Shot tick that crits? Do you get ToTH triggering for 40% of the mana cost total? Does this mean potentially 3x 40% mana returned if they all crit?

Also, do we know if Windfury speeds up ranged haste or pet haste? (I know the totem says melee, but we can hope can't we :P)

 

Zurai

I'm not sure I'd take Lick Your Wounds unless they did indeed revert Mend Pet to a hunter-channeled ability. Did they?

That's good to hear. I was afraid they'd replaced the resists with Great Resistance - which is nice and all, but no substitute for resisting non-damaging debuffs.

 

Gokey

That's how Multi-Shot currently functions with ToTH as far as I remember, so it's safe to assume that it will be the same.

It's just an error with the display in the wowhead database.

 

Shandara

With the pet talents, I miss the most important thing really... Resilience.

That or a crit reduction talent for the tanking tree.

 

Sean

Well, if you have only 16 and no Beast Mastery, yeah I probably wouldn't take it.

However, with 21 points, there's not exactly a better option.

 

Zurai

Excellent. That would have been a bone-headed move.

In that case, I really just don't see a need to take a pet-talent to put my pet out of action for several seconds just to heal 25% of its health. Mend Pet heals more damage (5.4k at level 80; I can't imagine pets will have more than 22k health at 80) and only costs a GCD.

 

Sean

Okay, I went and did that. I got spammed with a bunch of 1.401's. I hit rapid fire, same thing, 1.401 spam.

 

Zurai

Great Resistance seems better to me, even at 1 point. I'd probably also drop a point from Boar's Speed - not many outdoor instances in WotLK from what we've been told.

 

Zurai

Try adding/removing Haste Rating equipment, if you have any.

 

Sean

Hrm, probably 3/3 Great Resistance, 0 Lick, 0 Boars, 2/3 Sta then?

 

Zediono

GCD = 1.5sec
You have 111 haste rating.
This gives you a (1 + 111/1576) = 1.0704 modifier
1.5 / 1.0704 = 1.401

...

Haste rating reduces the GCD. FTW!! :>

 

Sean

Yeah, had a few pieces. Went back and tested again - with haste gear completely removed it reads off a spam of 1.5.

So... it looks like Haste Rating effects the GCD, but not haste "spells" such as Rapid Fire, Quick Shots, Serpents, and Quiver haste.

 

Zurai

I'm a fan of Stamina over Specialized Damage Reduction for pets. I'd keep 3/3 stam and 2/3 resist.

 

Sean

Yeah, I wasn't really thinking about Great Resistance in the first place though since you know - 75% avoidance is pretty sick and 120 innate all resists at 70 (higher at 80?) may make that 6-9% fairly irrelevant.

Heh, think putting the points into Cower for a 20% 10s damage reduction is worth it at all?

 

Zurai

It very well could be on certain boss fights, but probably not as a standard talent set.

And yeah, I dunno that Great Resistance will be worth it at all for a DPS pet with baseline resists on pets combined with 75% Avoidance. A tanking pet would find it useful, but without crit reduction tanking pets aren't going to be doing anything for grouping situations.

 

Negative

Hmmm, Zurai, 1/2 Invigorate is definitely a possibility. I really doubt we'll be in any great need for mana in the expansion, especially if you typically raid with a ret pally anyway.

 

Sean

Oh hey, the talent tree page that you made has Spider's Bite listed as a 2 point ability - it's actually 3points.

 

Mikari

Looks like Moths are tameable now

PetTalentTreeFerocity.wmv - FileFront.com

 

Terp

Not having actual resistances is going to hurt too, especially as Lionhearted does nothing for roots or snares. Not exactly sure how Entangling Roots is going to be dealt with. Cooldowns like Bullheaded sure aren't going to keep up with spam.

 

Cheeky

That's easy enough to model. Should I assume on-proc +haste abilities (like the [Dragonspine Trophy] or [Abacus of Violent Odds]) so that as well.?

Cheeky of Havoc

 

Sean

I'll go test the Dragonspine in a sec, I assume it works the same though.

And did you get that Steady Shot is effected by all hastes and the tooltip is just bugged?