Building Groups in WoTLK - Page 4

Enova · 07/25/08, 3:57 AM

Originally Posted by Caligula

Death Knight (Blood):

I'm not going to consider myself an expert here having only played the class through the tutorial, but it's pretty obvious that they belong in a melee group, either the tank group as a tank, or dps group when dpsing.

-Abomination's Strength - Spell - World of Warcraftis a 10% STR buff that with a 50% chance to proc on Blood Strike - Spell - World of Warcraft (the blood DK's bread and butter attack) or 100% chance on Obliterate - Spell - World of Warcraft, the uptime on this skill will be high--and even controllable. STR obviously benefits Warriors, Feral Druids and other Death Knights more than Rogues and Enh Shaman (who now only get 1 AP per STR) and to an extent Hunter pets as well so that would play into the calculations of the group makeup.

-Blood Aura - Spell - World of Warcraft The DKs heals, heal other members of the group for the same amount that the DK is healed. This would seem overpowered except for the fact that it requires Blood Presence - Spell - World of Warcraft meaning it is probably impossible for a main tank to use and improbable even for an off tank. The passive healing a DPS Blood DK would do on a tank (especially on an encounter where there is extensive raid damage) can't be overlooked though. This would also be beneficial on encounters where the Blood DK would be in a melee DPS group and taking steady damage.

Abomination's Strength and Blood Aura from multiple Deathknights stack, much the same way a hunter's Ferocious Inspiration does; I would assume Frost and Unholy auras work similarily.

Stormhole · 07/25/08, 4:08 AM

The top synergy that mages need: more mages.

Each mage with WG adds ~10% crit to all other mages specced for shatter, and couple that with Frostfire bolt being affected by WG and all other frost/fire talents, there is no other bigger DPS / mana efficiency boother that a mage has more than another mage.

Experiment · 07/25/08, 9:20 AM

Originally Posted by rahaan

why do you list obscure and almost never-used abilities, like aspect of the pack, and abilities so marginal in benefit (VE for a tank?) and leave out such obvious ones that you would prioritize like giving ranged DPS a shadowpriest?

The idea behind some of these is that they are situational. I'm most likely going to need to revamp the whole list sometime soon.

Specific fights may require your tanks to travel from point A to point B very quickly (Transition phases) so it's situational. VE smooths out healing needed and functions much like a HoT may. On heavy damage fights, this may be greater then other abilities.

It is a list in progress, I have random amount of time each day to work on this.

Update to the main post: I will be adding in the rest of the ability links sometime today hopefully. Caligula, I threw a link to your main post in the main thread. It was very informative. I'll to give it a more obvious link on my next update.

Graze · 07/25/08, 10:00 AM

Hysteria is listed under Caster DPS Desires but not Elemental Oath.
Hysteria is only physical damage increase, feels rather miss placed there.

Also: Information about EO suggests it increases the damage before talents, just like the CSD is doing, making a 200% critt a 218% one.

Experiment · 07/25/08, 11:12 AM

Large update made to the outline of the document.

Information about Hysteria should be updated now under raid desires as it's something that can be done to any raid member according to the tooltip.

Elemental Oath is now listed under group caster desires.

Caligula · 07/25/08, 12:01 PM

I see your note in the OP. Tranquil Air totem (also Blessing of Salv) have been removed in WotLK. You can take them off the list.

Shortly, I'll be making an update to my post with the changes people have suggested.

Experiment · 07/25/08, 1:46 PM

Update: Tranquil air Totem removed for the Original Post.

There are a few changes with the latest build of the patch that may affect peoples group make-up ideas...

Hunting Party now gives your critical shots a 20/30/40/50/60% chance to restore 2% mana, 10 energy, 4 rage, or 10 runic power to all member of your party. (Old version : 20/40/60/80/100% chance)

Spirit Link now also breaks if a shared damage would reduce a target's health below 20%.

Spirit link not being a party issue, but a raid makeup issue. (Also just added in to the main post). Currently the WoW head tooltips look like they're already updated. Either that or I'm slow and missed this beta update.

Gruntle · 07/28/08, 3:10 AM

Unless I've gone completely blind you are missing BF and Trauma from Boss debuff desires.

Crosshairs · 07/29/08, 2:39 PM

BM Hunter's Ferocious Inspiration is 3% increase in damage. I would imagine any dps (not just melee) would benefit from this.

Experiment · 07/29/08, 3:01 PM

Originally Posted by Gruntle

Unless I've gone completely blind you are missing BF and Trauma from Boss debuff desires.

I added in Trauma, I changed the BM buff to be also a Ranged Physical and Caster Desire. Thank you.

Two questions...

1. I can't for the life of me figure out what 'BF' is. It's just not clicking and I tried to review the other Warrior abilitys and came up blank.

2. Does anyone foresee there becomming an issue with the buff cap being hit? I believe it's currently at 32 buffs, and with so many now become raid wide (Auras and Totems and Shouts, etc) will this impact reaching the cap? I personally am unable to (Guild issues) to progress into the much higher end content. I'd imagine for those that can, this seems like it will become an issue.

If you have 3 shamans, and their totems, 2-3 Paladins and their auras, class buffs, food buffs, etc...

I'm looking through the latest patch notes to see what I can update. The Warlocks Felhunter ability and a few others will be placed in sometime today.

Scurn · 07/29/08, 3:15 PM

BF stands for Blood Frenzy the warrior talent in the arms tree that increases physical damage by 4%.

• Wizeowel · 07/30/08, 7:15 AM

Originally Posted by Experiment

I'm looking through the latest patch notes to see what I can update.

Frost mage talent Winter's Grasp seems to have been replaced, removing the synergy with DKs. However, arcane mages are now the debuffers for all casters Focus Magic - Spell - World of Warcraft. Gladly it is an 11-point talent, opening the door for fire and frost mages to spec this as well.

Jonny_Monroe · 07/30/08, 7:21 AM

not to mention the change to improved scorch, which is now 10% to arcane, frost and fire. A little DK synergy if they're tanking - some nice moonkin synergy aswell.

Zurgat · 07/30/08, 8:35 AM

Rogue: Expose Weakness - Raid, applied to Single Target

A slight point of correction, this is actually a hunter talent.
The rogue equivalent is called "Find weakness", and sadly only applies to the rogue's own attacks.

mako · 07/30/08, 11:20 AM

For Enemy De-buff Desires, shouldn't a shadow priest's shadow weaving and affliction warlock's frailty CoR be included?