Being an instant, Hamstring is not going to screw with your swing timer or rage generation. Since Heroic Strike is "on next attack" it not only costs rage to activate, but also has the penalty of not giving rage for that attack.

Vengeance Wrap is far far better until BT.

I'd like to get more clarification on this, has no one tested it? If not I will be testing it this weekend hopefully.

I understand the idea of threat divided equally among targets for things like shouts and heals, but for damage that would not make sense.

That would mean that if I cleaved and one cleave hit for 100 and the other crit for 200, my threat would be 150 on both (disregarding modifiers and innate)

No, it's only the bonus threat that's split.

I was curious about this statement. I'm still stuck using Cloak of the Inciter, and I'm running at 267 hit rating right now. At this point in the game, with my build (17/44) would it be better for me to drop Inciter, lose the 1% hit and 150 HP for the small increase in crit and the extra ~40 AP? My unbuffed stats in Berserker are 1857 AP, 28.24% crit, and 10.2k HP. The only reason I'm asking is because I will have to buy most of the mats for Vengeance Wrap, and they are rather costly.

I've always been a fan of stacking lots of +hit, and up until last week I was running with 325 hit for raid DPS. Anyone know off hand about how much +hit can be traded for AP and still equal roughly the same DPS?

Thanks!

I would guesstimate 1 hit rating = 1,5 ap

Assuming equal DPS and speeds (this is purely hypothetical), are there any reasons why DW Fury Warriors using daggers would do less damage than if the said Warrior were to use swords, maces, or axes instead? I've heard that using daggers is bad because of "normalization" but I'm not quite sure I understand what that means. Does that only have to do with the speed of the weapons? Or is there something innate in daggers that make them inherently worse?

Thanks.

That's pretty close to what I had figured, but it just leads me to another question.

At what % or at what hit rating would be considered optimal for raid DPS? (Aiming for a ballpark figure here). As our guild continues to progress, I am going to be faced with making gear-swapping choices, such as trading hit for armor penetration or passive haste rating, etc. I guess I am looking for some magical number that most agree on as being the point to aim for, then start building up other stats around it.

I've lost about 60 hit rating over the last week due to swapping gear and trinkets (ex. Romulo's Poison Vial -> Dragonspine Trophy) and I'm already starting to feel the pains of losing that hit.

What are most of you aiming for, as far as hit rating goes?

Haste and Armor Pen are amazing. More of either is never a bad thing, especially haste, and especially with a DST. Looking at your armor I cant help but notice how low your crit is.

I really think hit is overrated, according to my calculations 1 hit rating gives almost as much a dps increase as 1 ap. I would stack crit till I can get my hands on armor pen and haste. Crit scales really well with buffed ap. When you start hitting almost 3000ap with raid buffs, which is pretty easy, 1 crit rating will give you more dps than 1 str.

As far as how much hit to aim for, I think 200 should be good enough. I'm tempted to see how low I can go though.

Yeah, I tend to run with a Feral Druid, Elixir of Major Agility and Sharpening Stones, so I usually sit around 37% crit or so. I would like to improve my crit rating quite a bit as I pick up more gear, but it's just the fear of dropping all that +hit that makes me leary. I won't worry about it all that much from now on though and just start learning to accept that I will be missing a bit more as my gear gets upgraded.

Thanks for the help!