Celandro

My security settings are at high, so I dont see any macros. Im also only using .46 because .461 won't download for me. I don't know if there are macros in .46 but if there are Im not running them.

 

Khalim

hm.. thread seems to have taken a tangent.

I like the spreadsheet and putting in gear because you can see what improvement a specific piece of gear will give (and i personally use that for dkp decisions). Also putting in various different benchmarks and seeing how rage, flurry chace, dps sans execute etc change is good.

I also like being able to tweak equations to see what the result is for example try using overpower with this:

[top](BaseDamage+NetAP/14*Normalize+35)*(1+(YellowCrits+25*D81)/100*(1+0.1*Impale))/OverpowerCD

Its more the BT/WW equation which makes more sense to me and results in a higher Overpower dps which i think is more consistant with actual play. Especially if you actually calcualte the OP cooldown.

Also to quick and dirty in normalisation for daggers change normalise equation to (if you don't want to wait for next version):

IF(DPS!N24=0,3.3,IF(VLOOKUP(DPS!B24,'DW Weapons'!A1:Q117,17,FALSE)="Dagger",1.7,2.4))

Add an extra colum in DW Weapons and add in the word Dagger for the daggers. Doing this significantly reduces the dps increase for me at least from going from Crul to Deaths sting. I would like to do +skill based on weapon dependant but that's a lot harder because you have to treat each weapon individuall for any equation that uses +skill

Deathwing although you say the total DPS figure may as well have been banana per second, its actually not that different to actual fights expecially static ones where you enter the fight duration accuratly (this would be even more enhanced if you could specify the execute period in seconds than 20%). In comparing it to actual fights its seems to be less than 10% out - making it a pretty usefull tool for comparing gear and talents specs. I also use % difference rather than absolute dps difference.

http://ctprofiles.net/2868856

 

Deathwing

Both of your suggestions are already in the version I'm working on, Khalim, including +skill for single weapon types. I'm currently working on an extra field for generic stat input, and any other miscelaneous suggestions since my last release.

 

• Zoroaster

I'm curious what people think is the ideal way to do DPS on a boss. My standard sequence is to begin in zerk stance, start out with a BT, hit WW everytime it is up and burn extra rage on either cleave or HS depending on the aggro situation. I try and use every overpower proc I can, using BT/WW or a quick cleave/HS to get under 50 rage and then change stances to OP. The thing is I lose probably 40-50 rage for each overpower, usually lose 10-20 rage on stance switch from zerk to battle, and I hit so damn hard that in the time it takes to hit overpower and change back to zerk I'm losing at least another 10-20.

Anyone have any thoughts on what the best method is for max dps? I've been able to sustain 750ish dps on Patchwerk pre-execute with this method, and I'd like to know if there is anything else I can do to increase my damage.

 

xarg

On patchwerk I'm assuming you'd be using heroic strike to burn your rage. Imp cleave hardly does any more damage per threat than heroic strike. While initially it seemed like a good idea, the only way imp cleave really helps your aggro is that it reduces your damage output. Other than that what you're doing sounds about right. Try to use your rage, bt/ww when it's up, swap for OP with minimal rage loss.

 

Khalim

Yeah i think you're basically right bt>ww>hs/ham depending or agro situation. I only use cleave in single target on vael.

The rage loss on overpower both on initial switch and switch back is something that is very difficult to model and is not in the spreadsheet yet. Try get under 25 rage whenever possible before you use overpower. Remember you have 5 secs. So BT/WW if not on c/d. Also que a hs. After you overpower use bt and que a hs before you switch back to zerg

Also if you use Pi's warior utilities (http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/a...utilities.html), 2 clicks will do an overpower then other 2 to ww. I basically have the PI overpower and ww on both my battle and zerg stance and click them twice to change stance and use the ability. This should speed up the process and reduce rage loss.

You can try not overpowering and see if that give better dmg but, maybe spec anger man instead of imp overpower as posted in a few previous posts and see if you do more dmg but I doubt it.

http://ctprofiles.net/2868856

 

Khalim

Sligtly off topic guys but looking for some help:

Just got armaments yesterday. You can check out my dps and taking sets in: http://ctprofiles.net/2868856

My guild is medium/casual progress, killed emps working on cthun got anub down in naxx and basically instructor. Our tanks:

- 3 well geared tanks (T2 or better and good shields)- full prot or hybrid priority for dreadnought
- 1 full wrath tank but stil with drilborer (2h fury)
- 1 6/8 wrath, drilborer (hybrid)

All these guys tank before me. But I OT a fair bit in BWL and AQ where required for ads mainly. Although not much in Naxx. I am consistantly no.2 in dps beaten only but a combat daggers rogue, and occaisally no.1. Although this may change in 1.12. Also our other rogues are either speced combat swords or pvp hybrids.

Getting the pergio to upg my bb would give me approx 5.5dps increase (on deathwings spreadsheet) about 0.86%.

Getting the shield would upg me 1528 tank points from CTprofiles or about 6.5%.

So which should I go in terms of improving guild progress now and in preparing for 5,10 and 25 mans in the expansion?

I don't tank much now and me tanking has very little in terms of raid progress. But will 90% of my time be spent taking in the expansion?

Also it will be a while before I get naxx weapons (after the rogues) but if armaments drops I could get it again in maybe 1-2 months.

http://ctprofiles.net/2868856

 

• Zoroaster

"On patchwerk I'm assuming you'd be using heroic strike to burn your rage."

Yep, HS all the way on Patchwerk. I don't have imp cleave, just doesn't seem worth it to me.

"The rage loss on overpower both on initial switch and switch back is something that is very difficult to model and is not in the spreadsheet yet. Try get under 25 rage whenever possible before you use overpower. Remember you have 5 secs. So BT/WW if not on c/d. Also que a hs. After you overpower use bt and que a hs before you switch back to zerg"

I can only imagine trying to model that, really depends on how the player goes about it. I currently have a macro that changes to battle, uses OP, and then back to zerk, just click it 3 times and its done. I'll try doing it manually tonight and use a HS/BT after OP like you suggested.

 

Mimas

I really dont think it's worth switching stances to OP on Patchwerk. I tend to stay in zerk stance all the time, using BT, WW and HS with spare rage. Managed to hit 868dps today over the whole fight (didnt monitor dps pre-execute :().

 

PHx

Mimas does that mean you only use HS when you have an abundance of rage?

The way I play is I BT when its up, and then HS in between. If i have excess rage I'll throw in WWs. The only time I'll switch to battle and OP is if I have little to no rage.

WW with a 1her hits for so low, I think it is a waste of rage. It's interesting to see how other people rate the different abilities

 

Mimas

I'll use Heroic Strike whenever I can without compromising being able to use BT/WW whenever the cooldown timers are up. I've tried various different skill combos on Patch, but the above has worked out best for me with Hatchet of sundered bone/Iblis

 

Khalim

Phx you're lowering u're dps if you use hs > ww. basically ww does more dps becuse remember that hs is only adding 157 to what would've been your white hit anyway. Even with a fast weapon with low dmg range if your hit is > 157 your better off with ww.

And even if its not ww is an instant so better than ona as you're white hits are still getting u rage. so bascially bt>ww>hs (to soak rage - generally only when over 50). the only time I dont use ww over hs is when you cant hit with ww eg. cthun, rag or you cant aoe e.g. emps.

If you dont belive use deathwings spreadsheet and put in a 999999 value for ww c/d, see your hs c/d decrease significantly but your overall dps will decrease also. Not to mention on agro fights that much hs is suicide

Thats a lot of dps, one of the highest i've seen quoted. I was speculating a few posts back whether would be the case. Can you post your gear and spec (i.e. imp overpower or anger man)? Also do you find this only for patchwork or for other bosses too? And have you tried patchwork where you overpower?

http://ctprofiles.net/2868856

 

PHx

Thanks for the info. I'm using pretty slow weapons, dual rank14 swords. I'll try that shit out next patchwerk and see how I go. I always found myself with rage issues when using all threre skills (bt/ww/hs). I'll try just using hs when I have a decent amount of rage.


Btw Mimas, what program do you use to measure DPS? I'm using sws atm, and you can set it to show a value on the meter... but it seems pretty inconsistant

 

Khalim

Old school damage meters all the way :)

set to measure DPS and get a nice ranked graph of raid dps in pretty colors (most screenshots on the sustained dps thread are from dm)
I can only get raid dps (1 figure) to show on sws not dps per person does someone else knows how to do this?

http://ctprofiles.net/2868856

 

xarg

As far as I'm aware that's a limitation of SWS, that it can only show the raid dps not individual's dps.

PHx, try only using heroic strike to soak up excess rage - when you're over 50, or when you're a bit lower than that but have just hit ww and bt.

I still can't comprehend people saying they don't bother switching to overpower because it's not worth it. Situationally it might not be, but you have a reasonably large window in which to hit it. Especially if you have imp zerker rage, and can negate the negative effects of having a string of misses after popping back into berserker stance.

Edit: Remember that the DPS numbers off Recap and DM will vary. Recap measures the time you're in combat, whereas DM uses the same T=x for every member of the raid.

 

Mimas

The 868 figure is taken from sws. It seems to be pretty accurate, as calculating dps manually based on damage and time of fight works out at about 850 (fight was almost exactly 6mins).

Gear and spec http://ctprofiles.net/448649 Using Edgemasters with +15 agil and Seal of the Dawn in place of Blackhand. 2xConsecrated sharpening stones, ROIDS, Mongoose, Winterfall, Juju power, Dumplings and Mighty rage pots when poss.

 

Deathwing

Ok, I'm uploading v0.47 a bit early. There are some features I said I would get in this release, but they aren't there, sorry. The amount of changes I've put into this release is pretty big, and I don't want to make too many changes in one release. Plus, the features I have left are taking a bit longer than I expected. Anyway, here's the link and version notes:

http://www.filefactory.com/file/8d68dc/

Fixed normalization for daggers
Added Juju Flurry and Juju Power
Implemented weapon skills for different types of weapon
Implemented separate hit table for offhand
Redid overpower calcs
Added checkboxes for consumables and cooldowns
Fixed stats for Maexxna's Fang and Dragon Blood's Cape
Modified flurry calcs to include different crit bases for MH, OH, overpower, and yellow hits(thanks frmorrison and Celandro)
Fixed trinket slot problem where HoJ and Maelstrom had to go in a certain slot, they can go in either now(thanks Polocabbit)


Things I'm working for next release(hopefully):

Typical tank ThreatPS
A field where you can enter final stats instead of gear
Any suggestions you guys may have


Question for people: Do the hits from WF/HoJ/SS eat a flurry charge?

 

• frmorrison

On a Shaman, Windfury and Stormstrike extra hits do not eat Flurry charges, but they used to.

Not sure on Windfury totem (It used to eat them, but it could have changed when Windfury weapon changed), HoJ or Sword Spec procs, but I would guess the last two do eat them.

Filefactory is blocked on my firewall, so I can't look at your new spreadsheet. Is savefile.com still working?

 

Deathwing

Not at the moment, nor was it when I tried uploading it. Do you have some alternatives? Or you could PM me your e-mail address as a temporary solution.

 

Celandro

I put up a copy at http://www.rcsolid.com/poseidonguild...rior_v0.47.xls

Deathwing: i might be able to figure out how to make a directory +username/password for you to ftp these to if you are interested. Email me at celandro atthe gmail com

 

warnpeace

A little off topic, but how do I add items to the checklist? Wanted to add Darksoul Breastplate, because along with Tarnished Elven Rings, those are the only 2 items I'm using that arent on the list.

 

• frmorrison

You can type over any current item's stats to get your item's stats in the spreadsheet (just don't save it after doing something like that, it may mess things up).

There likely is a more permanent way to save items, but that is a quick and dirty way to do it.

 

Celandro

You can unhide the appropriate sheet (Format->Sheet->Unhide) and then add a row in the middle and put the new item in.

 

DjStunt

Hey guys, i love this spread sheet. I've managed to get it all up and running and it gives some really great info :D

Just having one problem though, i can't seem to enter 2hs in, every time i enter 2hs in i seem to get errors in the spreadsheet. I did what it says in the notes and made the 2 1h weapons 'axe' and made both enchants none. But before i can put my 2h in, it's already made an error on the spreadsheet.

Any help appreciated ladz :D

 

Deathwing

That's what I get for working on this version on two separate computers. For a quick fix, in cell C58, where you see "FinalAverageSpeed", paste

IF(FinalAverageSpeed=0,1,FinalAverageSpeed)

over it. Should fix your problems. Sorry about the error.