I have heard that using weapons of the same speed in both MH and OH will generate a fourth flurried swing due to those weapons swinging at the same time. First of all, is this correct? if so, how exactly does it work? Second, is there an accurate way to model it in your spreadsheet? (seems like it would be a huge pain to even attempt.)

Yep, that is true. Basically, instead of your flurry cycle looking like this:

[Swing] [Yellows] [Swing] [Yellows] [Swing] [Yellows]

it will look like this:

[MH swing] [OH swing] [Yellows] [MH swing] [OH swing] [Yellows]



That's not too hard to calculate. Up the amount of white swings by one, lower the swing duration for yellows by one. Hence, it's been modeled on my spreadsheet.

Oh wow never knew that.

On the spreadsheet it has the rank14 sword/dagger combo coming out marginally ahead of dps compared to two swords. Shoudln't two swords be better if the above is correct?

Unless your final average speed is faster than 1.5, no. You'll be connecting for more yellow attacks in a flurry cycle than white attacks with the two slow GM swords, hence why the same-speed cycle hurts your dps a bit. Try it on two fast daggers.

Yep i get what you mean.

I punched in different combos into the spreadsheet. Says the best is Sword/Dagger combo. By having dagger mh my dps drops quite a fair bit, aprox 20dps

Not to mention your WWs will be pretty puny with the 1.7 AP multiplier

So I got to thinking about limited buffs such as Crit Stones and Dense Sharpening Stones. How exactly do you model that in your spreadsheet? I know you have an option to check them under buffs, but your DPS that's calculated would be affected differently say if Dense Stone MH and Crit OH vs the reversal of that.

Would it be even worth to incorprate seperate buffs like that into the spreadsheet, or is the difference insignifcant?

I've always assumed people would use all of one kind. Maybe other people can respond to this. Do you mix weapon stone buffs(dense, elemental, consecrated)?

Yep, this is why I've always loved a slow/fast combo, since the fast offhand can proc HoJ and swing that slow mainhand.

Before I ran out of consecrated stones I would mainhand a consecrated and offhand crit, but I just go critX2 now. I had never really thought about it, but how does +8 compare to 2 crit for mainhand? With a slow mainhand thats a decent amount of AP your gaining for each mainhand swing.

I generally just put a crit or dense in the offhand, so mainhand still gets all the windfury procs.

Though if i didnt have a shaman i'd use two of one type based on the encounter.

just a general question: =)

how do you calculate how much of a dps increase 1% crit and hit are.

Djinn, could you explain that a bit better? 1% crit isn't the same dps increase across all sets of gear. Or, do you mean, you put in a set of gear and you want to know how much 1% crit is at that time?

I guess I could move the weapon stones up to the weapons themselves, a second pull down like enchants.

WW cooldown has to be divisible by BT cooldown or else the two are going to overlap. It's impossible to hit BT every 6s and WW every 10s, there will be an instance somewhere down the line where you'll want to hit WW and the global cooldown will be in your way.

Is it possible to keep the stones in place where they are now and to simply do seperate check boxes for MH/OH?

Yeah, I could do that too...probably better that way since I don't want to make my spreadsheet longer, thanks.

np, anything to make your life a little bit harder :D

I made 2 copies of the spreadsheet, one for 2h fury (dtc) and one for dw fury (db and qiraji sacrificial dagger)

2h profile
http://ctprofiles.net/573627
dw profile
http://ctprofiles.net/2510664


and no matter how i tweak the one for dw its dps is always lower than the 2h one
then i switched my offhand to crul, and the dps is still lower than my 2h
how is this possible? i thot for sure dw will beat 2h in dps, especially with crul?

:unsure: :unsure:

i did change the MH/OH weapons to "Maces" when i was doin it
is that wut u mean?

Not sure what you're doing, I got 737 dps with your DW setup(battle stance/overpower) and 689 dps with your 2H setup(berserker stance/WW)

DW, I remember you saying that this spreadsheet wasn't supposed to calculate your DPS, but compare gear, but do you know the general ballpark it falls under in calculating dps? I sifted through the thread to find an answer, but I can't seem to find anything.

Assuming a ping of 0, no inconsistant rage generation, a computer running your character and on use effects Id say it would be extremely close.

However with ping of 100, inconsistant rage generation, user error, etc its a bit lower, but if you stack your trinkets/cooldowns correctly its a bit higher and it ends up pretty close anyhow.

As a relative comparison tool its very useful.

I have purposefully told people not to expect accurate dps results, even on a scalar level(i.e. real dps is 85% of what the spreadsheet says). There are simply too many things that can influence each individual's dps, including connection latency, player habits, and reflex time. I guess my next step, after "finishing" my spreadsheet, is to run some empirical tests. Patchwerk would be the perfect case because it's a long, stand and deliver fight with very little risk of pulling agro.

Also, sorry for the slow updates recently. The recent leaked warrior talents/skills and the resulting discussion is kind of depressing. Feels almost like I'm hurting my own class the more I work on this. Either way, I don't want this thread to go south like the other one did. Haven't had much free time either, got Band of Brothers for my birthday. :)

Best. Series. Ever.

I'm not going to lie, parts of that series made me ball like a little bitch :D

As far as the testing you were discussing, I remember an individual saying their overall DPS on a patchwerk fight was within 3/10s of what was stated on the spreadsheet.