I have two 2,7 weapons for quite a while now (without really noticing it). Shouldn't they always swing together when flurry gives 4 charges? They don't.

Try [Melee Combat] How does Flurry Work?
Lag is appearing to be a larger factor than previously thought.

No, there's some discussion of this somewhere, but to get the swings to time together you should be out of melee range, then hit attack, then move into melee range - I think.

Well, from what I read on these boards, I'm getting mixed message on what my amount of hit should be as a warrior, I know as a rogue, you'd aim for 300 or so, assuming you have 5/5 precision from the combat tree, I myself have 3/3 precision when I'm spec'd fury, what's an ideal amount of hit to aim for while still getting a nice amount of crit along the way? THanks.

With precision you need 5.5% hit, or 87 hit rating, to be hit capped for yellow damage but not white. Before that point 1 hit rating is worth slightly less than 2 crit rating.

After getting your first 87 hit rating getting 1 additional hit rating is, generally speaking, slightly weaker than 1 crit rating which is in turn slightly weaker than 1 strength, but these values can and will vary with current raid and gear setup.

There is not, has never been and will likely never be an "ideal value", for us or rogues. How much hit to get depends entirely on what other stats you sacrifice to get it.

Sorry for quoting this old post from p44, but it's bugging me. Why is WW the top priority when BT is significantly better in terms of damage per second and damage per rage?

Switch BT and WW. Then it's fine.

My rule of thumb is: if you always have enough rage to do whatever dps cycle you use, you have enough hit; if your rage comes in peaks and valleys, stack more hit.

Assume your BT is hitting for 1000/1500 and your (untalented) WW 600/775

Use WW
1.5 sec global
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
Use BT
1.5 sec global
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
1.0 sec
Use WW
1.5 sec global
Use BT
1.5 sec global
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
1.0 sec
Use WW
1.5 sec global
Use BT
1.5 sec global
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
Use BT
1.5 sec global
1.0 sec
Use WW

Total time: 30 seconds Total Damage: 6400/9100 Total DPS: 213/303

Now prioritize BT and you get:

Use BT
1.5 sec global
Use WW
1.5 sec global
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
Use BT
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
Use BT
1.5 sec global
Use WW
1.5 sec global
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
Use BT
1.5 sec global
Use WW
1.5 sec global
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
Use BT
1.5 sec global
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
1.5 sec
Use BT

Total time: 30 seconds Total damage: 7800/11235 Total DPS: 260/377

This doesn't include the chance to proc something in the 0.5 - 1.5 seconds you end up waiting for BT when both WW and BT are about to be off of cooldown at nearly the same time. With how often they catch up to one another, talented or not, I would never ever prioritize the lower damaging ability. Maybe there is something I am greatly overlooking though?

You're not missing anything. This has always been my though process as well. You always want to use the things with the shortest cooldowns first and then those are down you use the larger cooldown ones.

You could have quoted the line above it where I said that I was using WW first because the question posed uses WW first. :P

The only time that I can think of where I'd normally prioritize WW over BT is when Rampage is down. At the same time, we don't really have "cycles" anyway.

For the extra 5 rage you would have in case you crit WW as opposed to BT? Maybe I am gravely mistaken, but I was always under the assumption that BT could proc anything just like any other instant attack. Whether or not that works disarmed (even though you do not need a weapon to use BT) I have no idea.

Got ya. I sometimes fall into this trap where I would rather use hamstring to help build up a new Rampage before using BT. I don't do it too often, but I do know I do it, and it's probably not really better DPS than just using a pre full Rampage BT though.

WW was first to maximize gcds.
If Bt hits for 1200 and WW for 800 and hamstring hits for 200 (base dmg + 20% chance to proc WF)

For untalented WW:

0.0 ww
1.5 bt
3.0 1
4.5 2
6.0 3
7.5 bt
9.0 4
10.5 ww
12.0 5
13.5 bt
15.0 6
16.5 7
18.0 8
19.5 bt
21.0 ww
22.5 9
24.0 10
25.5 bt
27.0 11
28.5 12

This 30s cycle allows 5 bt's and 3 ww's with 12 gcd's free (hs). ~360 cycle dps.

BT first cycle:

0.0 bt
1.5 ww
3.0 1
4.5 2
6.0 bt
7.5 3
9.0 4
11.5 ww
13.0 bt
14.5 5
16.0 6
17.5 7
19.0 bt
21.5 ww
23.0 8
25.0 bt
26.5 9
28.0 10
29.5 11

This 31s cycle allows 5 bt's and 3 ww's with 11 gcd's free (hs). ~340 cycle dps.

Best solution is still 1pt imp ww:

0.00 bt
1.50 ww
3.00 1
4.50 2
6.00 bt
7.50 3
9.00 4
10.50 ww
12.00 bt
13.50 5
15.00 6
16.50 7

18s cycle, 3 bt, 2 ww, 7 hs, thats ~366 cycle dps.

2 pt imp WW drops to ~360 cycle dps.

Couple of questions/requests.

I need the armor formula. I can't for the life of me find it anywhere. Also, the amount it caps out at.

Has anyone done any modeling of the new -armor stat from BT loot? I'm interested to see how well it stacked up against other stats.

From WoWWiki: Damage Reduction = Armour / (Armour+400+85*(Level+4.5*(Level-59))) In the specific case of L73 bosses DR = A / ( A + 11960 ) and you hit 75% reduction at 35880 Armour.

Edit: As for -armour items, it depends on the target. A rule of thumb is that -200 Armour = ~1% more damage done/taken, but this will be percentually more efficient on lower armour mobs and less efficient on higher armour mobs.

Thank you for the information, I'm currently running with ~230 hit , 1600 AP (In Zerker Unbuffed) with 24 crit chance.. should I get more crit/hit? or what should I be aiming for, keep in mind I'm new to theorycraft :C

Well now that you're talking about your stats, this leads me to another question:

Are there any discussions about the new armor-ignoring-stats yet? Especially concerning the warrior t6 armor set...

Armor penetration gets more valuable with every point you get untill you hit 0 armor.

Theoretically this might mean that it would be wisest to stack up 3-4 armor penetration items in your inventory before it's actually worth using them.

I'm already aware of this fact, but are there any known facts how to compare the armor penetration to already known stats? I don't exactly know what to think about the t6 set and a lot of bt-loots, so i'm looking for informations about that issue...

The easiest way to figure out how valuable it is, is to find out a mobs AC, then find the formula for mitigation. Then simply look at how much of an increase in damage something would take from a loss of 50 - 1000 more AC once it's fully sundered. I think just like any other stat, it's going to depend on how high another stat is, if you are lacking anything and what your sustained DPS is on any particular fight. Personally, I'm not really all that excited about it. I'd rather have some of the haste armor. But then, many people thought the Bonreaver's was phenomenal back when it got buffed, and it was not a constant effect.

Im not so good with theorycrafting, but I was wondering if Slam would ever be worth using for dual wielders. Im sick of using heroic strike as a primary rage dump due to the threat and the horrible damage it does. So could imp slam ever be useful?

Not successfully so far. It's come up a few times, but "slam" is only 4-letters so I don't have the threads to link.