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Old 07/05/07, 6:25 AM   #1401
Hoonboof
Von Kaiser
 
Human Death Knight
 
The Venture Co (EU)
I'm trying to figure out if my gear could support dual wield fury yet, I'm willing to resocket more hit in place of some crit etc... but I'm having major issues trying to download the spreadsheet. Anyone else having this issue, or does anyone have a mirror that isn't filefront? If the worst comes to the worst and it's not possible to mirror, I'd be mainhanding Spiteblade and offhanding the Gladiator offhand sword from last season (both enchanted with potency), is it do-able?

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Old 07/05/07, 6:52 AM   #1402
shadowscion
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Boulderfist
Originally Posted by gatz View Post
I'm wondering if haste rating is as good for 2H mortal strike / slam dps than for dw dps.

White damage is around 30% of my dps, white hits are often followed by a slam and I often spam slam while WF procs are generating rage.


Haste rating will reduce the delay between 2 white hits
I guess it would also reduce the delay between and the landing of a slam and the next white hit.

Will it impact slam cast time ? or the GCD between 2 slams ?
a good portion of 2H MS/Slam white dmg comes from WF, which isn't affected by haste much. you can get it to proc a little more often but that's all it does. coupled with slam interrupting autoattack timer and not reducing slam cast time, it's almost worthless for Ms warriors. with flurry up, haste almost offers not additional dps if you go through the slam cycle.

this is also another reason why fury seems to be better than arms in endgame raiding. items are stacking haste rating instead of crit, which is what drives a MS/Slam warrior's dps. i think i have enough fury gear to at least stay in par with arms for now but i know it'll be more beneficial if i stay fury for the future.

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Old 07/05/07, 9:48 AM   #1403
Ivriniel
Piston Honda
 
Human Paladin
 
Outland (EU)
Destroyer 2set Bonus

I can't find any previous posts on this, and it's not worth a new thread and i think it fits into this one.

I picked up the Destroyer Gauntlets last nigth, so with the Legs i got 2 pieces now.
(2) Set: Your Overpower ability now grants you 100 attack power for 5 sec.
Now i wonder if anyone has done any theorycraft on the PvE usability of this.
Basically, just seeing the scenario, i have to watch out for a dodge, then i need a gcd to switch stance, and other gcd to overpower and finally a 3rd gcd to get back to serker.
This means i lose about 20-80 rage (rough guess) depending on the encounter, to gain 100AP (110 with imp serker) for 5seconds. Next to that, i spend time in battlestance, thus have increased threat gen from my white dps, i know it's not alot more but it's something to be factor'd in.

Is any DW fury warrior actually using this in PvE?
I kinda fail at math, but at a first glance it's a dps loss, rather than a dps gain.

Has anyone else done some more work on this?

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Old 07/05/07, 9:53 AM   #1404
Base
Von Kaiser
 
Human Warrior
 
Lightbringer (EU)
Originally Posted by Ivriniel View Post
then i need a gcd to switch stance, and other gcd to overpower and finally a 3rd gcd to get back to serker.
Stance change is on a sepereate cooldown, so basically you can change stance (no matter any GCD running) use the ability when GCD is off, and change back when stance cooldown is off.

When timed well you can fit in that overpower in without loss of GCD, so should only take you 1.5 seconds out of zerker when timed well.

Last edited by Base : 07/05/07 at 9:54 AM. Reason: Spelling

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Old 07/05/07, 10:35 AM   #1405
Hozz
Don Flamenco
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Suramar
I think its a pretty awful set bonus.

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Old 07/05/07, 7:19 PM   #1406
shadowscion
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Boulderfist
Originally Posted by Ivriniel View Post
Next to that, i spend time in battlestance, thus have increased threat gen from my white dps
i think battle and zerker stance have the same 80% threat gen.

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Old 07/06/07, 12:39 AM   #1407
ikillyouheal
Piston Honda
 
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Tauren Druid
 
Vek'nilash (EU)
Originally Posted by shadowscion View Post
i think battle and zerker stance have the same 80% threat gen.
That is correct, young padawan.

::Edit:: I was out of character.

Last edited by ikillyouheal : 07/06/07 at 3:49 AM.

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Old 07/06/07, 3:53 AM   #1408
ildon
Collateral Damage
 
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Undead Priest
 
Whisperwind
The doomplate set bonus is being counted as a raid/consumable buff and so isn't affecting the unbuffed totals column. I would consider this a bug since it makes it hard to get a clear idea of how the doomplate items affect your DPS, without having to guess as to who's going to be in your melee group.

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Old 07/06/07, 6:58 AM   #1409
Naytoo
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
Could anyone tell me wich meta gem is best to use? 12 agility and 3% more crit damage or the hasteproc gem.

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Old 07/06/07, 8:38 AM   #1410
Randor
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Kilrogg
Originally Posted by Naytoo View Post
Could anyone tell me wich meta gem is best to use? 12 agility and 3% more crit damage or the hasteproc gem.
Depends on your build and gear. +haste for DW fury, +crit dmg for high crit numbers. Personally, I went with 24 atp and run speed which may be bland but works all around.

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Old 07/06/07, 8:59 AM   #1411
Hozz
Don Flamenco
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Suramar
AFAIK the 3% more crit damage one is bugged and applying the bonus twice, so its hands down the best meta until that is fixed. Once it is fixed, for DW builds the haste one is probably better. It has an internal cooldown but it procs fairly reliably every minute.

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Old 07/06/07, 9:53 AM   #1412
• Chicken
Co-starring: The Egg
 
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Ginakursia
Goblin Warlock
 
No WoW Account (EU)
Originally Posted by Hozz View Post
AFAIK the 3% more crit damage one is bugged and applying the bonus twice, so its hands down the best meta until that is fixed. Once it is fixed, for DW builds the haste one is probably better. It has an internal cooldown but it procs fairly reliably every minute.
I'd actually be unsure about whether the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond is bugged; it might be more powerful than Blizzard had intended it to be, but the way it works is simple enough to understand. It simply multiplies the total damage a crit does, as opposed to the bonus damage a crit does, and talents which increase the bonus damage a crit take the new base crit value for their calculations.

For warriors, if I address it step by step, we start with taking the damage a crit does and multiply this with 3%. 3% of 200% is 6%, giving us crits doing a total of 206% of the damage of hit, or 106% more damage than a hit.

Now let's say you have Impale, this is a multiplier of how much extra damage your crits do; normally this would be 100%, and this talent would turn it into 120%. With the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond the extra damage your crits do is 106%, 20% of that 21.6%, making your special crits do 127.6% more damage than a hit; which equals your crit doing 227.6% of the damage of your hit.

Short version: The Relentless Earthstorm Diamond multiplies the total damage done by a crit, (most) talents multiply the extra damage done by a crit and apply after the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond does.

Last edited by Chicken : 07/06/07 at 10:10 AM.

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Old 07/06/07, 2:37 PM   #1413
Naytoo
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
Now I am curious about the same thing for the haste metagem tho ^^

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Old 07/06/07, 5:10 PM   #1414
Elic
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Sargeras
Updated
http://files.filefront.com/Warrior+0.../fileinfo.html

Fixed haste for buffed DPS

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Old 07/09/07, 2:10 PM   #1415
Lamoot
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Silver Hand
Need some help! I DL'd the spreadsheet. But, when I use the drop down menu, it dosen't have any of the BC items. For example, T4. When I try to add this item in, it gives me an error

Error:
The value you entered is not valid. A user has restricted values that can be entered into this cell.
I'm new to using the Spreadsheets. So any help would be awesome. All I want to know is how to add the gear i have on right now into the spreadsheet.

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Old 07/09/07, 9:57 PM   #1416
Shoxx
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Kargath (EU)
Hi guys.

Are there any reliable DEP / SEP or whatever values at the moment? I'm looking for some values to compare stats to each other. Especially to be able to use Pawn more efficiently.

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Old 07/09/07, 10:29 PM   #1417
Elic
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Sargeras
I use str 10, agi 7, crit 8, hit 7, ap 4 for gear comparison such as lootzor. This is a little different than the spreadsheet, values hit a little more and crit a little less.

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Old 07/09/07, 11:07 PM   #1418
Shoxx
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Kargath (EU)
Originally Posted by Elic View Post
I use str 10, agi 7, crit 8, hit 7, ap 4 for gear comparison such as lootzor. This is a little different than the spreadsheet, values hit a little more and crit a little less.
Sounds good.

And what about haste? :P

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Old 07/10/07, 3:09 AM   #1419
Luc
Von Kaiser
 
Troll Shaman
 
Blackrock
After a bit of practical and a lot of math in my head, I ended up going with

Str 10
Crit 9
Hit 8
Agi 6.7
AP 4.5

That assumes raid buffed, with good buffs, but not necc everything, The average buffs I expect to get and give myself on a raid.
I dont have any haste rating items yet, so I havent added that into my pawn values.

My berskerker stance unbuffed stats are currently
AP 1918
Hit Rating 200 (+12.7~%?)
Crit 32%

Trinkets are bloodlust brooch and drake fang talisman, would love a dragonspine and that +70 battleshout trinket
Decapitator MH, S2 arena weapon offhand, saving for S2 arena main hand.

In boss fights I usually just use WW and Bloodthirst and let the rest of the rage go to waste. I prefer to just be safe and not add any HS agro. I tend to top DPS on melee friendly fights, so I prefer to make sure I stay alive. If it's multi target, I'll cleave away for good times.

Here are last weeks Fathom Lord and Lurker below fights, two fights I love due to being so melee / warrior friendly

Lurker Below (died at 6% to to getting a little too reckless with my health)
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...n1&s=3522-4390

Fathom Lord
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...&s=10291-10834

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Old 07/10/07, 3:20 AM   #1420
Dotts
Von Kaiser
 
Troll Warrior
 
Khaz'goroth
Well I finally downloaded this and put in some of my gimp items and started playing around with it a bit.

Anyway, I am trying to figure out how to get the haste proc of BS mace into the spreadsheet because as of now it doesn't seem to take into effect the haste proc.

I'd assume its 212/proc rate but I don't know the proc rate ont his item.

I saw 2ppm on a item search site, but I don't wanna trust it yet. Anyone know?

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Old 07/10/07, 9:34 AM   #1421
Hozz
Don Flamenco
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Suramar
I use

STR 10
Crit 7
Hit 6
Agi 5
AP 5

I dont have access to haste rating gear yet but I would put it at 8 I think, if I did.

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Old 07/10/07, 10:31 AM   #1422
Xurec
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Boulderfist
Originally Posted by Luc View Post
After a bit of practical and a lot of math in my head, I ended up going with
...
What are your group setups like? Where you using pots for those kills? I have very similar gear but I do use HS often, so your dps seems fairly good consdering you say you don't use it. I usually have an Enh. Shammy, Feral, and 2 Rogues, but I'm assuming you have a hunter or two? BTW you guys need some geared rogues asap, I can get 1000 dps too, but I can't touch our rogues on anything besides trash. You really don't rage dump at all?

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Old 07/11/07, 3:16 AM   #1423
Luc
Von Kaiser
 
Troll Shaman
 
Blackrock
Originally Posted by Xurec View Post
What are your group setups like? Where you using pots for those kills? I have very similar gear but I do use HS often, so your dps seems fairly good consdering you say you don't use it. I usually have an Enh. Shammy, Feral, and 2 Rogues, but I'm assuming you have a hunter or two? BTW you guys need some geared rogues asap, I can get 1000 dps too, but I can't touch our rogues on anything besides trash. You really don't rage dump at all?
Flask of relentless assult, 20str food, Kings and Might.
I had an enhance shaman, cant remember if I had a feral druid in one or both fights, my crit % might indicate.

And yea, I know a geared rogue who survived the entire encounter with our group buffs should pass me pretty easy. On fathom lord our rogue had poison.interupt duty on the priest, who we kill 3rd.

The only time I rage dump is in execute phase, and obviously my DPS really spikes at that point.

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Old 07/11/07, 6:23 AM   #1424
Ondskapt
Glass Joe
 
Troll Warrior
 
Cho'gall (EU)
Originally Posted by Luc View Post
In boss fights I usually just use WW and Bloodthirst and let the rest of the rage go to waste. I prefer to just be safe and not add any HS agro.
Hi,

as my raid usually have 2 paladins, I was wondering what was better :
- King + Salvation and BT+WW+HS spam when able or
- King + Might ans BT+WW and let rage waste

Any advice (especially on Gruul, stiil trying to improve my DPS ...) ? Thanks !

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Old 07/11/07, 6:37 AM   #1425
Hoonboof
Von Kaiser
 
Human Death Knight
 
The Venture Co (EU)
Originally Posted by Ondskapt View Post
Hi,

as my raid usually have 2 paladins, I was wondering what was better :
- King + Salvation and BT+WW+HS spam when able or
- King + Might ans BT+WW and let rage waste

Any advice (especially on Gruul, stiil trying to improve my DPS ...) ? Thanks !
Kings/Salv/Full cycle including HS where rage is abundant. All these people who say they avoid threat issues by not heroic striking whenever possible are letting good damage go to waste, heroic strike cannot miss beyond 8.6% hit, it gets the impale modifier, the meta gem modifier if you're geared for it, cannot glance and works beautifully with haste rating. If your tank can knock out like 900tps you're not going past him in threat even if you're breaking 1400dps (which you're not going to manage anyway if you're floating around in pre-gruul gear) and replacing mainhand swings with heroic strikes 100% of the time (unless you have an absurdly fast weapon).

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