Burning Crusade Rogue Abilities/Talents - Page 106

Squire · 12/31/06, 12:23 PM

Wow....

Muscular defensive systems aside, and apologies if this has already been covered, but can anyone tell me how Wound Poison works with other heal reducing effects?

♦ Praetorian · 12/31/06, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Hunter111

Get Honor PVP in some dumb site

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wtf, he has a more complete profile than a lot of real members. :o

Anyway...

By the way, IP: 222.66.147.74

How about that post-earthquake Chinese internet? Ouch.

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Alright, back to your regularly-scheduled theorycraft.

Antiarc · 12/31/06, 3:06 PM

Maybe I'm super late to this party, but does the human racial +swords/maces do ANYTHING now?

I'm a human combat rogue. I have 305 weapon skill, but 0 "weapon rating". I have 10.00% parry, when I'd expect 10.20% as it was pre-patch.

Edit: Did they change it so that weapon skill gives ONLY +crit? I was of the impression that it gave boosted crit in addition to the old benefits, minus the glancing penalty.

I went to Stormwind and got a couple of grey weapons - a sword and a dagger. Equipping the sword gives me +0.2% crit, but no other benefits.

Spades · 12/31/06, 8:46 PM

I believe they did indeed change it to + crit only.

Wheeee.

Kalman · 12/31/06, 9:43 PM

Er.

+skill *never* gave you +parry.

Cloak · 12/31/06, 11:25 PM

Kalgan did state that it would be the most coveted stat, point for point. Naturally, I'd assume it will get a buffing sometime in the near future. As a Troll Rogue, though, I can't help but feel the schadenfreude.

Glass · 01/01/07, 1:52 AM

While we're on the "getting the screws put to us" topic.. Great news!

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...302328&sid=1#4

Apparently it's "working as intended" for hunters/warlocks to be able to target a rogue 200 yards away, send thier pet after them and put them in combat/attack them. Not bad for no talent points!

Seriously, this class is looking more and more pathetic in every aspect of the game by the minute.

Rocket · 01/01/07, 5:53 AM

I've begun to notice something a little strange on beta lately as far as Mutilate and Cold Blood go.

I was always under the assumption that Mutilate attacks are 'rolled' at the exact same time and using cb guarantees that they both crit. I suppose that it makes sense that the MH would roll first and therefore hit first with the OH following, but for some reason I thought they attacked at the same time.

Anyway, what I've come to find is that if you get a mob low enough and activate Cold Blood then Mutilate, and your MH damage is enough to kill the mob, then OH won't be rolled (see ss). Additionally, I suppose as far as Mutilate is concerned, if both hands aren't allowed to crit then Cold Blood doesn't get recognized as being spent and you will keep the cb buff (see ss) until either both of your Mutilates are allowed to crit or you use another ability that would consume Cold Blood. You can continue to run around and keep your cb buff as long as your MH Mutilate kills the target and the OH doesn't get rolled.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...-40-53copy.gif

probably just a bug, but still somewhat interesting.

• Chicken · 01/01/07, 7:11 AM

Originally Posted by Squire

Wow....

Muscular defensive systems aside, and apologies if this has already been covered, but can anyone tell me how Wound Poison works with other heal reducing effects?

If it's like the other effects it's healing reduction won't stack with the other percentage healing reduction effects.
On the other hand, the only two player usable percentage based healing reduction effects are Mortal Strike and Hex of Weakness currently, so it wouldn't be too unlikely for it to work differently I guess.

Spades · 01/01/07, 9:46 AM

Originally Posted by Kalman

Er.

+skill *never* gave you +parry.

What? Yes it did! I remember distinctly having a 10.2% parry with swords and deflection.

Tosa · 01/01/07, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Spades

Originally Posted by Kalman

Er.

+skill *never* gave you +parry.

What? Yes it did! I remember distinctly having a 10.2% parry with swords and deflection.

+skill decreases your opponent's chance to parry your attack by 0.04% per point. It never increased your chance to parry your opponent's attack.

Glass · 01/01/07, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Rocket

I've begun to notice something a little strange on beta lately as far as Mutilate and Cold Blood go.

I was always under the assumption that Mutilate attacks are 'rolled' at the exact same time and using cb guarantees that they both crit. I suppose that it makes sense that the MH would roll first and therefore hit first with the OH following, but for some reason I thought they attacked at the same time.

Anyway, what I've come to find is that if you get a mob low enough and activate Cold Blood then Mutilate, and your MH damage is enough to kill the mob, then OH won't be rolled (see ss).

I don't think it's a bug, I've seen that several times on live.

Spades · 01/01/07, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Tosa

+skill decreases your opponent's chance to parry your attack by 0.04% per point. It never increased your chance to parry your opponent's attack.

Where was I getting .2% parry from, then?

Nathariel · 01/01/07, 1:07 PM

Wearing +Def gear?

Mist · 01/01/07, 1:18 PM

Dal'rend's offhand?

Spades · 01/01/07, 6:53 PM

No, and no.

rj · 01/01/07, 6:55 PM

Originally Posted by Glass

While we're on the "getting the screws put to us" topic.. Great news!

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...302328&sid=1#4

Apparently it's "working as intended" for hunters/warlocks to be able to target a rogue 200 yards away, send thier pet after them and put them in combat/attack them. Not bad for no talent points!

Seriously, this class is looking more and more pathetic in every aspect of the game by the minute.

They locked that thread too, lame asses were afraid of getting flamed to death on it.

It should work like it does for a player, once a rogue enters stealth you can no longer see them and thus you no longer can target or attack them.

The reason it doesn't work like that is because Blizzard is too lazy to fix their pet code, plain and simple.

Seeten · 01/02/07, 3:02 AM

Had a ton of fun with my guild against Wodahs today in WSG. *wave Wodahs* (We were the undergeared Darrowmere guys that left you sapped all game *grin*)

Wodahs · 01/02/07, 4:15 AM

haha Seeten. Nice to chat/play. We were group queueing, and I missed the AB queue, went into WSG solo. The power of imp sap now is incredible for things like wsg.

• sp00n · 01/02/07, 6:18 AM

Originally Posted by Spades

Where was I getting .2% parry from, then?

Certainly not from +skill. As already mentioned, +skill only affected your targets chance to parry, not yours. The only things affecting your chance to parry is a) +defense, b) +parry (obviously) and c) being higher in level than your target (because your defense is higher than the target's skill).

Originally Posted by Rocket

I've begun to notice something a little strange on beta lately as far as Mutilate and Cold Blood go. [...]

Yes, I noticed that as well. You don't even need cold blood, just go kill a rat and your offhand mutilate will never land. Unless of course your mainhand mutilate doesn't kill the rat, but in such case you happened to attack the Ferocious Rat of Doom, so it wouldn't matter anyways.

PS:

Originally Posted by Cloak

[...] I can't help but feel the schadenfreude.

Wow, didn't know that that made it into the English language. :D
Mmh, I better won't think about what that says about German in conjunction with "angst", "blitzkrieg" e.a. ~~

chrull · 01/02/07, 7:40 AM

Originally Posted by sp00n

Originally Posted by Rocket

I've begun to notice something a little strange on beta lately as far as Mutilate and Cold Blood go. [...]

Yes, I noticed that as well. You don't even need cold blood, just go kill a rat and your offhand mutilate will never land. Unless of course your mainhand mutilate doesn't kill the rat, but in such case you happened to attack the Ferocious Rat of Doom, so it wouldn't matter anyways.

I think the strange thing is that he still have Cold Blood up after the kill.

Kalman · 01/03/07, 12:42 PM

Quick note: porkbone and I tested last night and verified that each rogue gets a Deadly stack of their own on beta, but that you can only have one stack of Deadly per rogue (no running VII/VI, for example).

There seemed to be something strange with the stacking mechanism, but it isn't exploitable for any benefit, so I didn't play with it much, but it seems like a higher rank takes over not only the slot but the stack count when it procs, but it can only proc if the single tick damage for the higher rank would be higher than the total stack tick damage for the lower rank. Like I said, not really useful.

GrizleyCQ · 01/03/07, 5:00 PM

There is a followup thread on the pet and stealth interaction issue.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...06948&sid=1#79

My suggestion was if siccing a pet puts the target in combat, give pet attack a range of 30 like a frostbolt or whatever.

pf · 01/03/07, 5:07 PM

Originally Posted by GrizleyCQ

There is a followup thread on the pet and stealth interaction issue.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...06948&sid=1#79

My suggestion was if siccing a pet puts the target in combat, give pet attack a range of 30 like a frostbolt or whatever.

The target will not be placed in combat until the pet is in melee range of the target. The pet is a mob flags itself for combat, and mobs do not care about stealth once they are in combat. It stems from a coding problem that they are too lazy to fix.

Kody · 01/03/07, 8:45 PM

Originally Posted by Antiarc

Maybe I'm super late to this party, but does the human racial +swords/maces do ANYTHING now?

I'm a human combat rogue. I have 305 weapon skill, but 0 "weapon rating". I have 10.00% parry, when I'd expect 10.20% as it was pre-patch.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4353/humanskillqt8.png

Edit: Did they change it so that weapon skill gives ONLY +crit? I was of the impression that it gave boosted crit in addition to the old benefits, minus the glancing penalty.

I went to Stormwind and got a couple of grey weapons - a sword and a dagger. Equipping the sword gives me +0.2% crit, but no other benefits.

Just a quick note on this; hit rating on the character sheet is odd. Last I heard +skill still increases your chance to hit, but the hit rating attribute on the character sheet doesn't display it, nor does it display the +hit from talents such as Precision. I think it would just be better for them to change that attribute to "Hit Chance: x%" with a tooltip that displays your hit rating and how it affects your Hit Chance.

The weapon skill rating tooltip could be a bit better too, more inline with the defense rating tooltip.