If you stack mongoose and greater agility, you gain 8 crit rating from the mongoose, thats it. It basically takes the crit rating part of mongoose and the agi part of agi, and stacks them that way. Seems buggy to me, but any crit i can gain is worth it atm imo.

Quick nit: It's +90% chance. How high is the base % chance for +3 mobs, though?

A completely different question: has anybody seen a +7 damage enchant ingame (Enchant Weapon - Major Striking) yet? Since none of the relevant databases shows where it drops nor its enchanting level I'm assuming it was somehow leftout of the release version.

Should be a little higher than 90% with standard resist check + motw + shadow protection? Only killed him twice, but I assume you can fully resist the nova.

You could also cheat and quaff a major shadow protect pot before the fight. It would absorb the 10% chance.

Does anyone know if any combination of Onslaught Elixir, Fel Strength and Flask of Relentless Assault will stack?

I've no doubt that you can fully resist it. I've done it a number of times when not enfeebled...I'm just not too keen on the idea of knowingly giving myself a chance to die, albeit a small one, when I could just as easily give myself a 100% chance to live.

But yes, a resistance pot of somekind would likely bump me up over that hump, particularly along with mark and a shadow prot buff.

Just out of curiosity has anyone actually seen any of the wastewalker gear (with the exception of the gloves)? I'm curious to know what models they used but can't get anything to drop for the life of me. Oh well, I'll stick with fel leather boots+gloves for now, they seem like the new devilsaur of tbc (minus a good bonus).

Just curious to see if anyone had actually seen the wastewalker stuff.

wowhead has a screenshot of it. It looks pretty horrible. All of it drops in Heroics, except the gloves (which drop off Kargath Bladefist in Normal).

Wastewalker looks pimp! I have the shoulders, looks like Dreamwalker but with dark browns and earthy tones and no frilly patterns. Would love to get a second piece for that pimp bonus.

I've always entertained the thought of abusing the 2pc proc from the Assassination Armor. Even if the Kidney Shot returns immune, I'd assume the haste would be worth the energy inbetween SnD cycles. Am I overestimating the benefits of abusing this on a sustained dps fight when I have the excess energy?

Someone didn't get the memo on mutilate it seems. Still the 6 second haste effect isn't imo worth the energy cost.

For combat swords with combat potency, the haste bonus is a no brainer.

Perhaps, but I'd still like to see the math on that.

Edit: Yeah, forgot immune to KS = no relentless proc, not sure now. :P

Yeah I'd like to see the math breakdown on that, I typically pop off a 5pt snd then just use the relentless 1cp for an immediate assass proc. With combat potency I get the return on the energy of the failed snd right away, sometimes before I even hit the KS. I can't think it's any worse than the typical crappy ~500 sinister strike non-crit I would most likely get (which also costs more energy I might add).

Heh, yes ruthless. It's ok, I've had my coffee now

I would think combat potency (with a fast off hand) would help it out considerably. Also, shiv seems a bit OP with combat potency and a fast off hand sword (like latro) with snd up. Swords is one hell of a boring build (not like cd is much better) but the energy at times just streams in. Shiv at very least breaks the monotony up a bit.

Elixir of brute force seems to be stacking with everything too, and it's cheaper, also you dont need to feed a tauren for ages for that any more. Might not be that interesting for a rogue, however.

Between Relentless Strikes, Adrenaline Rush, and Combat Potency, I can usually muster an extra 25 energy in addition to the 5/5/5 cycle.

-With my OH being Latro and 20% hit, I'm looking at 2.34 EPS from Potency.

-The Assassination set proc is 15.24% haste for 6 seconds. 19.81% with SnD.
(0.1981)(2.34)(6)= 2.78 energy return on average.

-So, does a 22.22 energy Kidney Shot with 19.81% haste for 6 seconds outDPE a talented Sinister Strike with Vindicator's Brand and 1450 AP? (20.67% crit for good measure)

I was crazy enough to try and do the maths. Although I am not sure if I did everything right, my numbers see 29.5 DPE (1071 average damage/40 energy) for the Sinister Strike (this is all without any armor at all) and 24.76 DPE (550.2 damage / 22.22 energy) for the Kidney Shot + Haste. However, if you add your 2.78 energy return (didn't check on this), you are looking at 27.54 DPE.


This was assuming fighting a level 73 mob with 4.6% miss, 5.6% dodge, 40% glancing blows with 76% damage (only for white damage of course), 20.07% crit and 29.73% hit. I also assumed 5 points in Lethality and active SnD.
Now I could add in armor reduction, but it wouldn't change much, since both the Sinister Strike and the normal attacks are being affected by it.

// Edit
Actually, Surprise Attacks makes the DPE in favour of Sinister Strike. Without these 10% increase in damage, the haste proc would be more energy efficient.

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Here's some yada yada, incase anybody wants to do error checking (note that I'm from Germany and therefore using commas instead of points for seperating decimal values - the windows calculator couldn't even handle points for that).


Average Sinister Strike Damage
((((205+(1450/14))*2,4)+98)*1,06*1,1*2,3*0,2007) + ((((205+(1450/14))*2,4)+98)*1,06*1,1*(1-0,2007-0,056))=
~1178,1

1178,1/40=
29,5 DPE


*have fun*
(mainhand glancing) + (mainhand crit) + (mainhand hit) + (offhand glancing) + (offhand crit) + (offhand hit)

Damage with SnD for Mainhand and Offhand during 6 seconds
((205+(1450/14))*2,6*(6/(2,6/1,3))*0,4*0,76) + ((205+(1450/14))*2,6*(6/(2,6/1,3))*0,2007*2) + ((205+(1450/14))*2,6*(6/(2,6/1,3))*0,2973) + ((100,5+(1450/14))*1,4*0,75*(6/(1,4/1,3))*0,4*0,76) + ((100,5+(1450/14))*1,4*0,75*(6/(1,4/1,3))*0,2007*2) + ((100,5+(1450/14))*1,4*0,75*(6/(1,4/1,3))*0,2973)=
~3610,4


Damage with SnD and Haste proc for Mainhand and Offhand during 6 seconds
((205+(1450/14))*2,6*(6/(2,6/(1,3*1,1524)))*0,4*0,76) + ((205+(1450/14))*2,6*(6/(2,6/(1,3*1,1524)))*0,2007*2) + ((205+(1450/14))*2,6*(6/(2,6/(1,3*1,1524)))*0,2973) + ((100,5+(1450/14))*1,4*0,75*(6/(1,4/(1,3*1,1524)))*0,4*0,76) + ((100,5+(1450/14))*1,4*0,75*(6/(1,4/(1,3*1,1524)))*0,2007*2) + ((100,5+(1450/14))*1,4*0,75*(6/(1,4/(1,3*1,1524)))*0,2973)=
~4160,6

Damage gain
4160,6-3610,4= 550,2

550,2/22,22=
24,76 DPE

24,76+2,78=
27,54 DPE

Quoted from here, post 1171, as the point I am trying to make seems to fit better in this thread.
That have to be rather awesome stats then. According to pf's spreadsheet Blazeguard (the 1,6 speed, 88 DPS Blacksmith sword) is a worse offhand for combat swords that Latro's. Now guess what it would take for a 1.8 speed sword to surpass Latro's.

Yes, it seems in the offhand weapon speed is THAT important.

Is Latro's the new ACLG/Mugger's Belt? Does Combat Potency need to be changed to a proc-per-minute model?

dont offer stupid ideads to blizzard plx, it will get CP nerfeed