Thanks for the info Rvnlrd. Did you happen to notice if you ever got two procs in a row, or if there were long (as in 3min) stretchs where it didn't proc? Do you remember how long you were out there testing?

yeah, Mutilate definitely needs to be added. Envenom should be added as well, although by the time we get that, we might have replaced a piece or two.

I am pretty sure that I've gotten two in a row a few times and I am 100% sure that it isn't a 3 minute cooldown. Was standing there spamming the mob for a good 30 minutes, at least.

good to hear. I'm not sure what the Thott data is referring to, but I'm very glad it's not our set bonus.

I am a bit disappointed that the proc rate appears to be so low. Ah well, better than nothing i suppose.

No. This is definitely not the case.

I'm in a mix of ZG/T2/T2.5 on Beta (just got 8/8 T2 yesterday :D) and by level 63 I certainly didn't find anything better than my good epic armour pieces. The only thing that rivals them is the Mantle of The Dusk Dweller, and that's only better when similarly ZG enchanted and you don't mind losing various set bonuses.

You really wont be replacing T3 anytime soon.

Re: trinkets- I switched back to BHB from HoJ, but thinking about it now, Mutilate has twice the chance to proc HoJ than other attacks, so it may work out better after all...

HoJ is currently undervalued as it does not proc from offhand mutilate. However, BB is still better than HoJ for mutilate.

Why would you turn off the auto-matic 4/9 BS bonus? It does not affect mutilate in the sheet, but if you wanted to turn it off, you can simply find the set bonus box and put in false where 4/9 BS is.

Oh didn't notice that thanks.

Poisons were done server side last I looked at the combat log. This means those instant poison procs could be from an attack up to 1 second prior.

I have got a pretty similar SS that I forgot to post when I mentioned this some pages earlier. Of cause if poisons are calculated on server side, this would be an explanation for a combat log lag.

...more pressingly, I think you'll all agree- which of you LUA hacking types wants to get Eavesdrop working with the Mutilate icon. I've been meaning to look at it myself but haven't got around to it.

Can't be that hard though, right?

Updated with a second Patchwerk Mutilate parse. I was 2nd rogue, 3rd overall, on Patchwerk, behind only a combat potency GM/Iblis rogue with 8 pieces of Bonescythe, BoUF, etc, and our best geared fury warrior (Castigator/Iblis, although he grabbed a Sapph claw this week, so he'll be stepping up a bit more next week as well).

I think there's a little more room to improve; I definitely blew a couple cycles during PW where I wound up with a 3 CP finisher or with SnD down, so I can probably eke out a little more from the same gear (but, BS legs for next week!)

Anyway: statistics.

Mut PW2: 46/0/5 mutilate build (5/5 Vile Poisons, 5/5 Imp Poisons, 5/5 FW, 2/2 QR, 2/2 Master Poisoner)
Mut PW1: 46/0/5 mutilate build (4/5 Vile Poisons, 5/5 Imp Poisons, 5/5 FW, 2/2 QR)
Old PW: 15/31/5 combat build (dead standard)

Mut PW 12/13/06: Remembered my trinket and buffs!

281 seconds of DPS time, 772 DPS

Melee: 98.165
Average hit: 244
Average glance: 178 (72.9% of average hit)
42 hits, 126 crits, 149 glances, 16.6% miss/dodged, total of 380 melee swings
39.2% of swings glanced
33.1% of swings crit (~tooltip)

Mutilate: 72,809
Average and max numbers are pretty meaningless here, since it appears twice in the combat log and each one is treated as a seperate Mutilate. 71 hits, 23 crits, 1 miss.

Eviscerate: 22,095
9 hits (average 1193), 5 crits (2271 average, 2538 max)

DPV: 15301 damage, 7.2% resist rate
IPV: 8739 damage 5.7% resist rate, 18.3% miss rate (58 hits, so 71 procs?)

Poison combo was DP main, IP off.

Mut PW 12/06/06:

288 seconds of DPS time, 711 DPS

Melee: 86,946
Average hit: 220
Average glance: 160 (72.7% of average hit)
55 hits, 110 crits, 171 glances, 15.6% miss/dodged, total of 398 melee swings
43% of swings glanced
27.6% of swings crit (below tooltip)

Mutilate: 69,460
Average and max numbers are pretty meaningless here, since it appears twice in the combat log and each one is treated as a seperate Mutilate. 65 hits, 27 crits, 1 miss.

Eviscerate: 24,569
11 hits (average 1046), 6 crits (2176 average, 2357 max)

DPV: 15409 damage, 8.7% resist rate
IPV: 8546 damage 4.5% resist rate

Poison combo was IP main, DP off.


Old PW (15/31/5):

331 seconds of DPS time, 784 DPS

Melee: 156,585
Average hit: 266
Average glance: 251 (94.3% of average hit)
36 hits, 176 crits, 211 glances, 11.1% miss/dodged, total of 476 melee swings
44% of swings glanced
36.9% of swings crit (slightly below tooltip critrate)

Backstab: 92178
25 hits, 43 crits, 1 dodge

Instant Poison: 10881 damage, 5% resist rate

Couple other, seperate notes:

DPIV doesn't work if you're using DPV. One stack of DP per rogue, one stack of a given rank of DP per mob, is how it's working right now.

Master Poisoner was *noticeably* useful to have on Faerlina.

Crus on the Fang, +15 on the Pugio.

Looks like the extra time on the CD fight (333 seconds opposed to the 281 on the mut) probably helped to skew the number (if only just a little) in favor of cd since you could potentially get in 2 AR's and 3 BF's in there. This is good news Kalman! Looks like mutilate is very very competitive with CD for raid level damage, provided the mob is not immune. We may actually have a fun build that is viable in more than one part of the game yet! Also, it helps with our secondary role (stun) if it ever actually comes into play in pve again ;)

Thanks for the info!

btw, what are you mh'ing?

Maexxna's Fang, according to that quote.

If you want to, I could run these combatlogs through my parser, though it currently works only if the combatlogs are yours.

How is your poison resist rate so low (even on the old CD parse with no poison talents)? Mine is usually in the neighborhood of 17 or 18%

Oh wait, I see on one you have a miss rate listed too (18.3%). Where you list resist rate, is that the average resisted damage from the ones that landed?

You'd have to ask the guy who wrote WoWWebStats exactly what the meaning of those values is. sp00n, I'd offer you the logs, but I didn't log this week; we have a guild site with logs posted that one of our officers maintains, so I pull numbers from there.

Ok, I could just edit the script to only count entries containing your name.
Might be interesting at least to see stats from another rogue.

I'll try and get a raw log for you to work from, then.

i tested it, liked it and sighed, as i dont have daggers on the live realm, but rocking the dps meter on beta with 2x 80dps daggers
again a build that only works for a certain weapon type.

I've been futzing around with the spreadsheet a bit looking at level 70 builds, and for mutilate it looks like 41/20 is the most dps, but 43/0/18 is actually somewhat competetive. It comes down to opportunity + serated blades vs. precision + dual wield spec. With my current gear, it came out to be approximately a 20 dps difference with raid buffs, according to the spreadsheet.

Edit: I just realized my reason for posting was unclear...a mutilate subtlety build is much more fun for PvP than a mutilate combat build, while maintaining competitive dps.

However, the combat tree gets you Imp S&D. I'm curious as to how important that will be situationally in BC.

From what I understand, tank'n'spank fights ala Patchwerk are a thing of the past, mostly. Imp S&D shines when you can get the full benefit of the extended duration, although it's just plain more energy/CP efficient when improved. Is it possible that there simply won't be fights in BC where the extended length will be of great importance?