Almost exactly the spec I used before I picked up Imp Demo again, except I had 2/2 Taunt instead of 2/3 SA. I just don't see the reason for Imp SA on raids while Imp Taunt is better for heroics and trash groups in my opinion.

Tanking specs for me are staring to be very difficult it seems. Back in the day you had maybe 1-2 choices and the rest were just a givin. Everyone had the same spec save for a few points. It's just not like that anymore, i've seen some very different specs and many of them are viable for MT'ing end game content. There are so many viable routes these days, it's hard to know what's absolutely optimal for you, or if there is such a thing at all.
I know what you mean and I didin't used to have 5/5 in cruelty OR 1h specialization. That came on, really through trial and error. Fact is I started losing aggro is situations I had not before. Since bc hit it's felt like an overall boost in threat from dps classes. I've started to feel like almost any dps can pull it off me if they try hard enough these days. This was not the case at lvl 60. It used to be next to impossible to pull it off me if I had the rage. Eh, I just feel overall weaker as a utility. Anyway, that's why those points are there and it's helped a little. Plus it helps me out threat our bear tank
There is still something very wrong with rage. Back in the MC and BWL days I could be tanking trash mobs in there and have a full rage bar the entire time. They said they fixed rage but i'm not feelin it. On kara trash i'm lucky to get enough rage to hold aggro. On bosses now like the Prince or even Grull there are times that i'm sitting there waiting for rage. I've been taking rage pots to tank Gruul. It's madness! heh. That's why imp sa is there. I also avoid anything that will help with trash only(imp taunt), the boss fights are where it's at. That's what it's all about.

They didn't do anything to rage gained from incoming damage. At least when they went into detail about what changes were made, they only mentioned a change to the outgoing rage gain formula.

Why is it that i'm not getting the same rage on Spectral Waiters that I used to get on Molten Giants? I was looking at my threat problems and rage problems as seperate issues but my threat problems are likely the result of less rage. duh.

Could be you just remember it wrong?

If I have an avoidance streak I'm as rage starved in Kara as I was in MC back in the day.
Haven't noticed a change in incoming rage (read: incoming damage).

I'm full prot specced at the moment and do not intend to change that, BUT I was thinking about speccing into DPS one day again and one thought crossed my mind.

As I'm dualwielding an axe (MH) and a sword (OH) at the moment, would a weapon spec make sense? I know that sword spec does only affect swings done by sword, but what about axe spec? Does it up the crit chance of the axe swing only? Or would it also effect my sword swings? And if it is in effect when one axe is equipped ... would it have to be in MH or OH?

Im sure this question has been answered a lot of times, and I'm mostly positive that it was said to be a crit enhancing aura (hence affecting all swings) ... but did it change since then? Or have there been new discoveries to the exact mechanic of axe spec?
Thanks in advance.

Sorry for resurrecting this old thread, but there is a question that kept me wondering all last week and weekend. Anyone done some extensive testing about specing for Improved Demoralizing Shout (5/5) versus Toughness (5/5) in terms of overall damage reduction? From my small amount tests, it seems that for example in dps gear (7,3k Armor), Imp Demo would win over Toughness, yet I could not determine after how much armor this would change and favor Toughness in the long run. So basicly the question is whether Imp Demo Shout alone could win over the combo of Toughness and normal Demo Shout.
My spec is a fury/protection one with Improved Thunder Clap, so basicly I need to decide which to take, taking both is not really an option unfortunately. Toughness might mean better survivability while Main Tanking something big, yet Improved Demo would also help the tank while I am dpsing.

Hard call, awaiting your comments if you have any.

(Posting here for the first time, sorry if this issue was brought up earlier, if anyone could direct me to a similar thread, it would be much help.)

I'd say go with Toughness if doing MTing in raids or in 5-mans and imp Demo Shout if primarily an off-tank/support role.

In my experience, imp. DS gives the most damage mitigation and scales extremely well. Furthermore, imp. DS will always be useful as OT as this give MT a global cooldown less each 30 seconds.

I just recently browsed the armory and found this to be the spec of the main tank of our servers most successful guild.

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/ba...33022103031251

Oh dear. I suggested him to *at least* switch one point form Heroic Strike to Focused Rage. He told me something amounting to "lol, u stupid". Am I missing something, or is he just completely braindead?

I can understand dropping something awesome like 1h weapon spec for improved demo... but UW? Perhaps I don't understand the true power of this recently modified talent.

As for improved HS over focused rage, there is no reason to do that.

You could teach a monkey to MT a lot of stuff.

What if you're using it to get imp TC? (Which, of course, the tank in question is not)

On that note, I have seen several (raiding) main tanks take UW but not imp DS. Knowledge is power?

Tell me more.
If you always have a demo/tc bitch, there is little reason to spec into improved demo or tc. I didn't think that fact over fully.

Instead of Unyielding Wrath you can spend one more point and pick up Thunder Clap, 2/3 Heroic Strike and Anger Management. Before the patch, that was vastly superior for a MT.

Imp TC is Still worthwhile, especially for AoE aggro. The fact is that you can spend more than 61 points on good tanking talents, so there are many effective builds, and you can always try maximize effectiveness by working around your raid's strengths and weaknesses.

I've seen people tank effectively with much worse builds than the one that was linked (not that I'm encouraging or excusing it), but it isn't one I'd go with personally.