Rounced

I suggested that option first, to make spellpower 100% but only effective with the Arcane Tree but it won't work with the current 2T5 bonus. On a raid debuffed target AB would be critting for over 6k.

So then they change the 2T5 bonus into something that would work but it wouldn't fix the issue with AB being a craptastic spell that doesn't lend itself well to proper rotations (ie all one damage type since otherwise you get +hit issues with the non-primary tree spells).

If they changed spellpower then the tree would just revolve around AM again and since rotations seem to be Blizzard's intention changing the AB debuff, as I have suggested, would address all of the current issues with the Arcane Tree very easily.



Does anyone have any theorycraft on what each debuff slot is worth? If that is actually a significant number wouldn't raids do better to have all Frost mages since then the whole bunch of them would only need 1 debuff slot total for WC?

Would something like Rogues being able to use Deadly poison offset any dps advantage that Fire has over Frost (especially since Frost is looking pretty good compared to Fire in 2.3)?

 

Vhad

On that note they just changed shaman and paladin tier5 bonii, they need to do something similar to mage set and compensate for any nerf by buffing arcane.

And on the Debuff note I remember vaguely back when Patchwerk was discussed to optimize dps that some found that Arcane Missiles has an invisible debuff, just like all channelled spells have it. If this is still true or not I'm not 100% sure of.

What!?

 

Roywyn

I horde guild on our server had mages spam AM on trash (no Blessing of Salvation, Fire/Frost had -10% back then, the -30% came later).
With 5 mages spamming AM and the debuff limit being 8, their debuffs were dropping off really fast.

Another indication - Heroic Shattered Halls.
The Houndmasters cast some dispelling shout that dispels magic debuffs on nearby friends. When I'm channeling AM on one of their dogs and they do their shout, my AM channeling just stops.
No interrupt message, no silence, no error message, nothing.
I just recast and continue.


That is why I think there is a hidden debuff. Maybe I'm wrong and there are different mechanics.

Hm, maybe bring one warrior and 40 mages that cast AM to a Blasted Land Servant?

 

Vhad

should be easier to get 10 affliction warlocks? :P

What!?

 

Bruien

I have a question that I haven't been able to find the answer to. I just received my 2 piece T5 bonus and I will probably be going 41-20-0. Figured Ab x 3, AM, Scorch as a spell rotation. My real question is do I need to wory about hit? I can link my armory so you can see what I have atm. But I am basically stacking 4 hit 5 spell gems. Because i was the normal 10-48-3 build. And needed hit badly. I am also wondering if anyone can help me with my build and possibly my spell rotation. I know with the changes to the frost tree it makes 31-0-20 a more reliable spec but I am still unsure. I guess What I really want to know is, If I should stack 5 dmg and 4 crit gems?

 

Toastybunns

First i'd like to say that this is my first post here so i hope I can be of some help. From what i've read alot of people aren't quite sure about an arcane spell rotation and usefullness, and alot of people want to see some screenshots. I'll do my best to fulfill those requests.

First off, spell rotation:

There are a few different spell rotations that i find usefull depending on the situation. My suggestion is to go to Netherstorm and test them on Dr.Boom (becuase he has alot of HP and u can range him easily, in addition most of these tests were ran on him minus the ones i have ScreenShots for). Keep in mind that if at all possible you should be casting Arcane Blast just before the debuff goes away so you get the reduced casting time but not the increased mana cost, also EVERY time clearcasting procs you should be casting Arcane Missles!!! In case it needs to be explained, would you rather have a cast that costs 234 mana be free, or one that costs 784?

#1:
ABx3, AM, Scorch, repeat.

Using this rotation is going to drain your mana in about... 2mins flat self buffed. Raid buffed you'll last a little longer but this should only be used in fights that last 5mins or less.

#2:
ABx2, AM, Scorch, repeat.

This rotation is only possible with 50+spell haste. With the release of Zul'aman this is completely possible before your guild reaches BT/MH. This rotation is a little more mana efficiet, but completely dependent on your ability as a player to get your casts off in the time constrante of the AB Debuff.

#3:
ABx2, AM, repeat.

This is the most common spell rotation for arcane (and also happens to be the rotation i use). It is not as mana intensive as everyone thinks since you are getting Clearcasting procs, and can deal a butt load of damage.

OK, now i'd like to take the opportunity to link my gear from the armory so people can have an idea of the gear that im using (hopefully i'll be in raid gear when/if any one looks).

The World of Warcraft Armory

Incase any of it changes, I'm wearing 3pc T5 (gloves, legs, shoulders) so i have the 2pc bonus. My current spec is 50/11/0:
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Mage -> Talent Calculator

As you can see its a Pom/Pyro spec heavy on the arcane side. My actual spell rotation is closer to this: ABx2, AM, PoM AP Pyroblast (i have this set as a macro) then continue to cast ABx2, AM, repeat untill the cooldowns are up or i get a clear casting proc.

I haven't had the opportunity to take any SS in a 25man raid but i have a few from ZA today and im going to add more the next time we raid (my guild is 6/6 SSC, 3/4 TK)

This is my damage meter (i use "Recount") for the Halazzi fight:



Here is a chart from the same fight showing how much damage each of my spells did and what percentage of my total damage it was(lightning bolts are from the Lightning Capacitor).



This is the meter for the Hex Lord Malacrass fight:



Like i said i'll be adding more as i can. If any one has any comments or things they would like me to add i'd be happy to talk/debate about anything mage related. Keep up the good work people and lets make/keep mages the top dps!

 

Toastybunns

Yes, if ur gunna go arcane. Arcane has a natural 10% spell hit thru talents (actually closer to about 10.37%)
which means that you only need another 6% thru gear and/or gems to cap your spell hit. Once you have this accomplished, stack crit,SD, and even int (for two reasons 1, you get spell damage from arcane mind. and 2, int=mana)

 

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