Yeah, I have only seen the aggro dump pull me out of combat on trash pulls. Even then I've had issues where I got beaten out of the 20 second invisibility buff period too (after the 5sec fade).

Scratch that idea then.

Just out of curiosity, how many of you drink mana pots the minute you can (depending on whether you are in one of those fights with splash damage and need healing pots).

I find myself, when I can, chugging mana pots as soon as I have burned through enough mana so I don't waste any of the pot so I can squeeze a second pot in in the later stages of the fight. I do the same thing with rubies/emeralds.

On a somewhat related note, I recently enchanted a +41 spirit staff with +20 spirit, and I switch during evocation now, and what a difference it seems to make.

I personally try to eat the gems asap, and hold off on the mana pots until I absolutely need it, in case if a gem is on cooldown still.

How many of you actually use multiple gems? Personally I like to eat the top rank one first, but afterwards it seems like you get a lot more out of demonic runes or dark runes. They're obviously more effort, but I feel like its more usefull. Plus you can use them to suicide in a pinch

I keep two gems summoned always, although I'll be the first to admit that I don't use them much anymore. Mana pots (in the volume that I use them) are cheap enough anyhow and 90%+ of the time I'm in a serious raid I have a shadow priest in my group anyhow.

I can't imagine I'd ever equip that trinket in other words.

That said, the mechanics of mana gems lend themselves to being used "early and often", thus making timing/coordination of the burst potential somewhat hard to do unless you want to ruin your own mana gain efficiency by holding off on gem timers until enrages, etc.

Seems like a pretty lackluster trinket with the current scaling of mana gem +mana... maybe if the emerald had bumped up where it "should" be in terms of our new mana pool size, but seems rather negligible at present.

I would approximate that the Mark of Defiance in a 2 minute period would return, on average, around 1200 mana for me with my typical spell rotation... This returns, what, 341 on an Emerald?

(Here's to hoping they don't nerf the Mark of Defiance to make this one look better though! )

I recently started doing this, using a staff with +55 or so spirit and a wand with +21 spirit. After looking at the numbers on my character sheet, I didn't realise exactly how big a difference it was making - I was gaining more than 2200 extra mana on an Evocation by swapping my weapons round. I'm definitely enchanting my green spirit taff with the enchant as well, as it seems to provide an absolutely massive boost on fights where you need to evocate.

A wand with 21 spirit ? The best i found out is Flawless Wand of Spirit, and its only +18

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25295

Back in the day when I was raiding on my mage I would eat my top rank gem as soon as the mana would not be wasted. Then I would chug a pot as soon as the mana is also not wasted, then I would eat my final gem in the same circumstance. I would usually be able to chug a second mana potion if needed. Thent here is evocate.

Overall if you wait too late you will waste time that could be spent on the items cooling down so I would assume every raiding mage does this =)

Speaking of interesting trinkets.

http://thottbot.com/i30626

50% proc chance seems unbelievably good, that probably means it have some serious cooldown.

I was under assumption that trinket cd's were generally 3x proc lenght?

Assuming that It's the case, then it would have about 25-30% uptime. It'd be about +50dmg (+- ~5dmg) worth of constant +dmg.

Actually I DO have a wand with 20 spirit (edit: I just checked it and it's only 17... /cry) and a Tuurik Torch of Spirit offhand with 32 spirit on it. Time to get a mainhand with decent spirit, slap a +20 enchant on it and I could get about +100 spirit on my evocations, I think that's pretty decent.

I didn't had anything better to do, so i browsed wowhead a bit about +spi weapons. Absolute best you can go is random suffixes lvl 70 greens. Those will give you

+24 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25309 and
+32 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25099

This will give you +56 spirit. On other hand there is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31289, that gives +23 int and +50 spirit. I think that's a better option, considering that with that staff (enchanted) and +18 spi wand i almost fill my entire mana bar in raid situation. If i've used pure spirit greens i'm sure some mana would be lost.

Alternatively, you can use +56 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25183. Going to save you one inventory space for the same spirit.

I usually make three gems (got into the habit in Naxx for Patchwerk), pop the Emerald as soon as I can, then the other two when they're up. Some of the other Mages in the guild also have +Spirit sets in addition to +Spirit weapons for faster drinking and Evocation, respectively.

I think I will definitely seek out a high +Spirit weapon and enchant it for Evocation. I've slowly been adding more +Spirit pieces, which while it usually takes the place of +crit/+hit and sometimes a small amount of +damage, I think it's worth in overall. I still have both +crit and +hit gear, anyways.

oh snap

upgraded version of the shiffaar's nexus-horn ? wtb !

all thoses hidden cooldowns are pretty lame tho :/

im not sure about sightly more... one's a 20% proc rate one this one is a 50% proc rate...

I picked up the Bangle of Endless Blessings for fun once when it was going to get DE'd. Swapping in that trinket on a fight that I KNOW I will have to Evocate gives me another 2000 mana when using the trinket. Couple that with the +57 SPI green staff I randomly picked a month or so ago, and my Evocate restores ~8000 mana depending on whether I have Spirit/Mark buffs on.

The Meditation proc on the Bangle isn't horrible either, worth almost 200 mana for each time it procs, which is quite often. And I have been able to swap it in, (or out after I've used it) by using Invisibility to briefly get OOC.

Pardon my ignorance, but how does one tell the proc rate?

You click the proc, which in this case brings you to http://thottbot.com/?sp=38347

Hah, you learn something new every day. Thanks.

First of all, thanks for all the work you've put into that spreadsheet, it's a great tool. I have a quick question - I noticed that on the Game Stats sheet you have Rank 13 Fireball and Frostbolt rather than Rank 14, is this intentional or has it just not been updated yet? Also, does the workbook include diminishing returns on spell damage for lower rank spells, and if so what are the formulae?