That's another problem with it, it's way too mana inefficient to be an effective dispel, especially in group pvp when most characters walk around with 5-6 buffs. With bad luck you will end up hurting yourself more than your opponents.

This is why I think that a Mage fighting a Blood Elf caster would have a fun time trying to use Spellsteal, since Mana Tap is a 3 stacking Magic buff. You could be trying to Spellsteal that Warlock's Fel Armour, but instead pick up a Mana Tap (grats). It sounds like a great idea in theory, but really, there are a lot of little buffs out there you can stack to screw it up. I'm sure lots of Mages would try to Spellsteal a Paladin who uses Avenging Wrath though, regardless of how many useless buffs they have stacked on.

This is what I used at 60:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=kbZxgM0fcI0est0h

With my gear (about +620 dmg) I was able to 2-3 shot neary every non elite mob. Blazing Speed is "neat" but not too useful for grinding. My next seven point went into impact and Imp Fireblast (2/3). You may wish to take points out of Molten Fury and put them into Impact though. There werent very many situations where I had a mob at <20% health and I needed that extra boost to kill them.

There are a few quests later on where Ice may be better so you can solo some elite mobs, but I usually found it easier (and much faster) to just find a warrior to tank.

I'm likely going to change my current 10/0/41 pve spec to something like 10/0/41 (With elemental) or 30/0/21, ultimately to end up something like 33/0/28. Depends on what they do with Water Elemental and Spell Power.

Slow is 421 mana for me, at level 60. Not sure where the 800 mana costs comes from.

I'm told Spell Power was stealth fixed so that it now properly stacks with Ice Shards.

The manacost is 35% of your base mana, meaning that it scales up as you level, just like blink.

I was looking at ways to abuse the Spell Reflect spell, and came upon this interesting idea for playing with reflect on the Chromaggus fight (if people still do Chrom for giggles in the expansion).

Assuming that a warrior is able to use Spell Reflect to reflect Brood Affliction: Black onto Chromaggus (this is not certain at the moment), and assuming a mage is buffed/trinketed to hit for 2000 base fireballs:

2000*6 = 12000 Normal hit on debuffed Chrom
12000*1.5 = 18000 crit on debuffed Chrom
18000*0.4*6 = 21000 ignite tick on Chrom (ignite is also affected by the damage multipliers)
21000*5 = 105,000 ignite tick on Chrom with a fully stacked ignite.

With luck, I figure a suicide mage squad using combustion and limited invulnerability potions could make the ignite last for at least 12 seconds. By the time the last mage dies and the ignites wear off, that should account for about 900,000 damage (assuming each mage averages 4 fireballs and two fireballs crit). If they manage to keep the ignite rolling that long, it would be 180,000 damage/mage in 16 seconds, or just over 11,000 dps sustained by each mage.

(edited a little for clarity)

Pardon my ignorance, but WTF is 12000 normal hit on Chromaggus? If he's vulnerable to your school of magic, you do 3x damage, not 6x.

Spell.... Reflect? You make no sense to me.

1) His fire vuln is a curse not magic which I believe is what warriors can reflect (I could be wrong on this)
2) I really doubt his AOE debuffs can be reflected unless they are single target 1-x raid members.

Thanks Duo, I get it. (Spell Reflect debuffing Chromaggus being the piece of info I missed - and quite understandably at 2nd glance).

The cast on you part means it's not going to reflect AoE as they are not cast "on you"

Mobs who can reflect (see: Anubisath's in AQ40) do not reflect AE spells. Interesting theory but I doubt it'd work =)

I blast wave Fire Reflecting Anubisaths with aplomb.

Any word on how pyroblast is scaling in the expansion?


Also, if you cast spell reflect on an anub with arcane reflect. Will you steal a buff from yourself and give it to the anub? :)

Good question - would like to know as well re: Pyroblast scaling (or permanent crap status, as it may be).

If you cast spell steal on an anub with arcane reflect, you shatter space-time - good game.

And if the buff you steal is arcane will it reflect back to yourself?

Anyway, I know spell steal is a 70 abil in a 67 capped expansion. So no answers on spell stealing Arcane Int for a 2 stack for 2 min or any other wacky shit that will come up.

[You] Lifesteal [Anubisath Guardian] Reflect
[You] Lifesteal [You] -30
[You] Lifesteal [You] +30

My guess, based on Lifesteal, is that you'll spellsteal one of your own buffs; you'll lose it, and then gain it back.

They can shift out of it currently (which is crap).

I think mages are safe from reflected AoEs.
Mages don't have any target focused AoEs like Chain Lightning... but it would be damn funny to see a warrior reflect Huhu's silencing poison or Anub's impale.


My personal favorite place to play with spell reflect is in Gnomer with the Arcane Nullifier's that cast reflect on thier whole party... I just sit there and AoE them down through the reflect.

So how are mages at pvp in beta? Can we make any cool threads yet like priests and melting faces?

I'm still not convinced arcane missles can be a good pve main nuke. Slow costs too much mana to add much utility to raiding at 861 mana per 15 seconds. The main use of the arcane tree is still going to be to support your frost or fire.