Leto

You may not feel cheated... but I bet those of us who have passed on thing that will now be upgrades/sidegrades do.

Rogue at heart.

 

Ghalt

Are there any mods that display, in real-time combat, the estimated damage from your Ignites?

For example, I crit for 1000 and a little bar with 400 appears, maybe with a countdown-timer, as the dmg is applied, maybe not. But it goes away once that damage has been applied to the target.

With DoT Timers, Damage Meters and Mob-Info tools out there, I believe this is totally doable.

The idea would be to make it easier to judge the amount of damage needed to finish a mob when grinding trash/farming.

Yah, yah, sure, sure, I can estimate it when I'm paying attention, but sometimes the ignite comes from my Molten Armor, not my Scorch, and it would be nice to know right away, without having to read through all the tics of damage flying above the mob, how much dmg is about to be applied. (For mindless farming, especially!)

It seems to me it would make farming much more efficient if I can move away to the next mob knowing that the two ignites I put on him will finish him off without any more mana cost.

 

Zeku

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...geNo=1&sid=1#0

Tailoring sets not being changed. 5/01/07

 

chase

I modded mik's scrolling battle text mod to show crit+ignite damage. i.e. It shows 1400 when you get a 1k fire crit. (and supresses the ignite ticks) PM me if you want a copy.

Don't know of any mod that has a timer bar and such. Probably wouldn't be tough, but anytime I have to start playing with UI elements I lose interest quickly.

 

Rocktart

- no longer applicable -

 

Zeku

I see, a person scanning the post quickly, or going back over old posts, might want to know what they're looking at in order to avoid wasting time. Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

Aaaaand, I just received some kind of private email telling me that I've committed an 'infraction' of some kind. I'm curious if people who mispell the word 'you' get infractions as well. You have the audacity to accuse me after I not only did what I believed was the most efficient and non-intrusive way of presenting relatively important information, but even apologized, and admitted I had learned from my mistake.

I suppose the name is not entirely tongue-in-cheek. You needn't worry about me contributing to your discussion anymore.

 

Groglox

So, I am looking at other peoples Gruul kills and talking with a warlock friend and I am kind of confused.

Both DamageMeters and SWStats has me with 330k damage when we killed Gruul at 11 grows. 1000 DPS as full frost seems a bit high when Vontre's spreadsheet shows me at a max of 300k for that length of fight. This had me at the top of meters for Gruul tonight.

My only consumables were adepts, spelldamage food, and a normal wizard oil. I was in a shaman group with Bloodlust, WoA and ToW. I am really just curious if this is normal for a frost mage. So far all the damage meters I checked in the DPS thread have mages sitting lower, but I am not sure on durations there. Are my meters reporting wrong or am I missing something?

 

◊ Vontre

1000 dps as full frost? What the hell did you do?

Granted, I can hit around 700, and I only have 650 spell damage on my gear... but still.

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Darkmantle

How many bloodlusts? Any lucky procs like guag's eye every 45 seconds or the like?

 

Groglox

Thats why I am posting, I am really confused. A guildmate happened to have a fraps of it so I am going to take a look and see whats up. Either way your spreadsheet reports that dps which is kind of boggling. It also said I would have had 1200dps with full fire in my fire gear, which also confused me. Maybe I did something wrong.

edit: One bloodlust which was interrupted by one silence, I am positive I did no more than 10k shatter damage to others, and as for quags, I only recently got my new metagem which has a similar effect by appearance so I couldn't accurately say. I did notice my metagem procced quite a bit more than usual, twice in a row at one point. This was the first real raiding night with it however.

 

◊ Vontre

That would be an excellent thing to post here if you don't mind, though it would be better coming from your perspective.

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Raiding is full of challenge. Sometimes there is fire. You have to not be in the fire.

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Groglox

Ill try and see if I can get a fraps up next week. I am still suspicious that the numbers came out correct though.

 

Jayde

Did you end up in a bad cluster and deal a lot of Shatter damage?

 

Leto

It might have just been luck... I know there has been a rare fight where I've ended up with about 55% crit on fireball over the duration of a fight, as opposed to ~30 normally.

I also recall a patchwerk fight back on my rogue where my bs crit rate was nearly 90%, and I was number one by a large margin as opposed to a small margin usually.

Rogue at heart.

 

Groglox

Eh I found out the issue. It was 16 grows not 11. The mage who recorded it was reading raid chat where someone has a mod saying the wrong thing. Hah I knew something was up.

I did still come in first though, so if you are interested http://files.filefront.com/ltf_gruul.../fileinfo.html

I am in it quite a bit (the only other mage). Boy I feel like an idiot though haha.

 

zepi

During one Gruul run with Elem. Shaman I was able to top dmg meters with my deep frost. I had such high +hit that I could change gear to get even more crit due to Heroic Presence and ToW, yet I still received extra crit from ToW in addition to that. My critrate a bit over 40% with all the buffs, but stars aligned and I ended up with ~54% crit percentage. Pull ended when I pulled aggro with my 10/0/51 build, which in my oppinion should be impossible. At the time I was fully buffed and running with about ~1350 Frost damage base + constant procs from Shiffar's Nexus-Horn, Spellstrike and Icon of Silver Crescent.

I've never been even close to such performance with my frost tree, but basically, if you just crit everything, you'll rule damage-meters. I was well above others even considering that swstats didn't include my pet.

 

Yeonora

Soo... here's the data from Magtheridon (didn't get the Elemental Shaman for Gruul). It's a rather large sample size because we conveniently wiped 5 times before killing the bastard *g*
136 hit rating +1% EP +4% Shaman should result in 1.22% resists.

381 frostbolts on channelers + Mag, 4 resisted, ~1.05% resists (as expected).



Some partial resists due to icelancing while being thrown around.



339 arcane blasts on channeleres + Mag, 3 resisted, ~0.88% resists (as expected).



3.9% partially resisted. Still lower than expected. We would expect between 5-6% partially resisted.



Resist Tracker says his frost resistance is ~0 and arcane resistance ~22.



Details for arcane resists. ~7% 50% resists and ~9% 25% resists.




Now, the sample size is still much too low to be statistically significant for proving anything, but if Kavan would be so nice as to post some of his accumulated data, we could settle this matter and reduce frost damage to bosses by 0% and fire and arcane damage to bosses by whatever Kavan's data says (supposedly 6%)

 

Kavan

This is the aggregate data for everything collected. Note that this may include mobs with actual resistance (but not immunities), so it may be slightly skewed:

Level 73: 29575 samples, 26.678 resist

We're still in the gray area in between 24 (8 per level) and 28 (2% per level). In any case the difference between the two is small enough that it doesn't change much. I wonder how much data one would need to really settle this.

Edit: I had another look at the data trying to find out if I have anything strange that would drive the average down. It turns out there are some bosses that don't partially resist. In particular Lethon, Terestian Illhoof and Netherspite. I've never really payed attention to combat log in these fights so I can't say if this is valid or some error on my part, but I'll be definitely looking the next time I see one of them.

 

Yeonora

I too noticed that I didn't have a single partial resist ever fighting Netherspite. Very strange.

 

Wynna

Hey everybody, if I may change the subject here, I know this was probably discussed before but with a monster thread like this it's really hard to find it, but anyway, I was wondering if any of you guys made some theorycraft about the Eye of Magtheridon (http://www.thottbot.com/i28789), I just recently got one and at first glance it looked pretty awesome but now I'm starting to regret having spent dkp on it :< I currently use an icon (http://www.thottbot.com/i29370) and a tear (http://www.thottbot.com/i19379) as my trinkets and I was thinking about replacing the tear with it, but somehow I really doubt 170 dmg for 10 seconds can cover half the dmg wasted on a resisted spell, so the 16 hit rating on the tear would probably be the way to go. Being a raider my spec is 10/48/3 and I have plenty of gear to switch around giving me multiple variations in crit/hit keeping basically the same +dmg, but my usual boss gear setup is probably around 930ish fire dmg, 230ish crit rating and 160ish hit rating unbuffed, so if any of you guys have any ideas on this trinket and how I could potentialize it, please let me know, otherwise I'll just bank it and cry over my wasted dkp! ;(

 

Stein

Translated:

Bank it till they buff it.

 

Ishara

Could someone please say what the first line (the average per hit/per tick) of those pictures means in lamens terms? Im confused, surely the average frost bolt isnt 2.9k?

 

Wynna

So bitter!

 

Yeonora

Sure it is. My average frostbolt on Magtheridon hits for 2900. You have to keep in mind that 1. that includes crits, 2. I was fully buffed including flask for half of those attempts, 3. Magtheridon receives bonus damage while banished (that's why my max arcane blast tick was 10.6k), 4. I'm arcane/frost specced with arcane power and mind mastery.

 

◊ Vontre

I'm trying to figure out why this Eye of Magtheridon even exists. It's so bad as to be comical. And I'm not just guessing, I was running actual data on it (determining the number of procs for an average damage increase, not accounting for hidden cooldown). I guess it's pretty good if you're nowhere near the hitcap though.

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Raiding is full of challenge. Sometimes there is fire. You have to not be in the fire.

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