Rogue DPS Spreadsheet - Page 141

Siq · 06/10/07, 9:27 AM

Originally Posted by namuras

and which attack should i use for gettig cp?
sinnister strike?

3s/5s/5r -> you have a dagger in mh and choosed a dagger combat build, so use backstab for getting cp

Neckface · 06/10/07, 9:40 AM

A thought just occurred to me....given the increasing complexity of modeling rogue dps (I'm thinking specifically of the proliferating number of "chance on hit" items) would there be value in abandoning the equation approach and trying to model dps using a monte carlo simulation?

namuras · 06/10/07, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Siq

3s/5s/5r -> you have a dagger in mh and choosed a dagger combat build, so use backstab for getting cp

i use sword

• Double-Neg · 06/10/07, 6:43 PM

STOP THE SHITTY POSTING IN THIS THREAD OR I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL THROW YOU ROGUES OUT OF A MOVING VEHICLE.

You have been warned.

• Aldriana · 06/10/07, 6:49 PM

Originally Posted by Neckface

A thought just occurred to me....given the increasing complexity of modeling rogue dps (I'm thinking specifically of the proliferating number of "chance on hit" items) would there be value in abandoning the equation approach and trying to model dps using a monte carlo simulation?

I suspect that in order to make that more accurate you'd need to do a sufficiently large number of attacks that the computational overhead would be frustrating. You literally need to run tens of millions of attacks before statistical variance gets down to a reasonable level.

SmokeMT · 06/10/07, 10:04 PM

I quickly searched the thread but found nothing, but for CP rotation what does 1s/5r snd cut mean, just 1 snd then 5 rupture?

ysf · 06/10/07, 10:34 PM

Page 83:

Originally Posted by Sarutobi

Basically, the 'SnD cut' cycles are trying to maintain 100% rupture uptime. So what you will end up doing, is after a 5cp rupture, if ruthlessness procs and there is still time left on SnD, you refresh SnD immediately without waiting for it to expire, then resume building cps for rupture and refresh it as soon as the last tic goes off.

SmokeMT · 06/10/07, 10:48 PM

Thanks.

tsigo · 06/11/07, 2:47 AM

Originally Posted by QControl

No, it's not worth it because the weapons will not proc in your offhand.

I can promise you they do.

Wandatin · 06/11/07, 3:27 AM

I'm not sure if I have something checked wrong or not but the AEP values are all messed up in version 2.2.6a. Some values are double digits near 100 and others are negative numbers. The last version I was using was 2.2.5a and it worked correctly.

Primalr · 06/11/07, 6:50 AM

This thread would only be 40 pages long if nobody asked stuff already answered just a few pages back, or answered those questions again, or commented the answers of those questions like this.

Also, this ring could be added by the next person editing the sheet:
Skettis Band of the Shadow (+14 agi, +16 sta, +50 ap)

Not an insanely great one, but still ok for those that are unlucky with the ringdrops..

Rinced · 06/11/07, 12:02 PM

This project is to big for only one thread - best would be to have a wiki or something to show certain aspects of the spreadsheet and an own forum for questions/suggestions.

Discussion + Suggestions + Questions + Releases spread over 2k posts is just a pain in the ass and i think were getting something like 5 - 10 new pages (~200 posts) a week.

Its really time to move to another location I think.

rj · 06/11/07, 2:22 PM

http://savefile.info/file/2548/WoWCombatLog-txt.html

One hours worth of PTR fighting this morning. 17/44/0 sword spec blasted lands, wielding AQR (114-213, 2.8 speed) and Iblis (70-131, 1.6 speed). Zero haste enchants (thus the old weapons heh), no haste buffs/items, no specials used, instant poison only on the main hand, crusader on the main hand, +15 agil offhand.

I ran this so people can analyze it for things such as is sword spec not resetting the main hand swing or can sword spec proc main hand enchants ("You gain Holy Strength" in the log) or poisons on the main hand?

One thing I did notice in a quick search is sword spec no longer seems to proc combat potency. There is not a single instance of back to back combat potency procs in that entire log, which is unusual given how long the log is.

6/11 10:07:59.390 You hit Servant of Sevine for 171.
6/11 10:08:00.687 Servant of Sevine misses you.
6/11 10:08:00.890 You hit Servant of Sevine for 164. <--- offhand
6/11 10:08:01.406 You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization.
6/11 10:08:01.421 You hit Servant of Sevine for 326. <--- main hand hit that procced the above sword spec
6/11 10:08:01.640 You gain 15 Energy from Combat Potency. <---- combat potency from the offhand hit at 00.890 (nice lag...)
6/11 10:08:01.812 You hit Servant of Sevine for 393. <---- sword spec main hand hit
6/11 10:08:01.812 Your Instant Poison VII hits Servant of Sevine for 167 Nature damage. <---- IP from main hand hit @ 1.421
6/11 10:08:02.218 Your Instant Poison VII hits Servant of Sevine for 179 Nature damage. <---- IP from sword spec @ 1.812
6/11 10:08:02.421 You hit Servant of Sevine for 160.
6/11 10:08:02.906 Servant of Sevine crits you for 159.

So far it appears sword spec does proc main hand poisons, it no longer procs combat potency, it does use main hand damage regardless of which weapon procs the sword spec and it doesn't seem to reset main hand swing timer. I am not sure on weapon enchants yet nor windfury.

Ra · 06/11/07, 3:46 PM

How can you be sure that the combat potency was from the offhand attack and not its sword spec hit?

rj · 06/11/07, 4:17 PM

Because the main hand caused the sword spec proc and not the offhand, check the damage. It is out of range of the offhand.