Ya just modified my post because I forgot to mention that SnD and BF stack multiplicatively unlike the way that Haste Rating now stacks, hence why some might now be seeing better gains in their attack speed.

So what are we looking at then for Undead/Demon DPS? With the trinket selection being Bloodlust Brooch, Mark of the Champion, and Hourglass of the Unraveller.

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I'm curious of that as well, and at first glance i would say Mark and bloodlust. I also wonder where Abacus would fall in terms of comparison with these.

Hourglass is going to have ~16-20% uptime with an upper limit of 25% (if you had 100% crit). So the AP proc portion of the trinket does not improve very much as your crit increases due to the cooldown. So, hourglass is going to be on par with bloodlust brooch, but definitely weaker than mark of the champion.

The interesting thing about the invis cooldown is that this basically makes the hourglass an on-use trinket. So, on trash mobs where you have more breaks in between fighting, it becomes more powerful. However, you cannot combine it with cooldowns effectively so one might want to stick with an on-use trinket because of this. But since you do not have to remember to click it, it could work out in your advantage.

I am looking at probably releasing my final version of the sheet tomorrow, so I hope that someone will keep the spreadsheet up to date as far as new gear is concerned (thanks to blizzard finally stopping datamining and stat-hacking instances). As long as there are no major bugs, I will not make anymore updates to the sheet. So, if anyone decides to take up updating the sheet, I will gladly assist them in doing so and I believe Bleedo stated earlier that he would set them up as far as hosting is concerned as well.

Just found a small bug, Guile of Khoraazi (Consortium exalted dagger) is entered with 24 stamina whereas it has 24 agility (link).

On a similar note, how does one add or remove weapons from the drop down list? I tried to just manually add an item on a blank space in the drop down and it fubar'd the list.

Thanks

Think there's a slight snafu on the talent page in that the check box links have gone awry.
No way to check off what's currently set on 'on' and set on what's 'off'.

Trying to figure out why I lost 20 dps going to this version whenthe changelog barely effects me. Going to have to go over that more thoroughly.

Changed base armor value to 85% since smaller raids will mean less CoR/FF uptime, also corrected an old lvl 60 armor formula left in.

I'm guessing that line affects you. :)

Barring any major flaws in this release, it should be my last. My time updating these sheets has been enjoyable, but I feel it is finally at a point where I can leave them alone and they will hold value until major changes in the rogue class. As I stated before, if anyone wants to take this project over, I will assist them. If someone wants to just update the sheet as new gear comes out, that is fine as well. If you are serious about that, contact Bleedo and I'm sure he will provide you with the same web-hosting he provided me.

http://rogue.bleedo.net

Version 2.2.2 2/16/2007
Fixed The Night Blade to subtract 100 armor off buffed dps as well as unbuffed. This value is based upon a guess.
Fixed Checkboxes on talents page.
Fixed stats on the Claw of the Watcher, Needle Strike, Guile of Khoraazi
Fixed Ring Enchant: Striking to work.
Fixed major problems caused by using Netherblade 2-piece. Also fixed some slight problems with Netherblade 4-piece.
Fixed a bug where next-stat +hit showed a dps gain with combat potency and 100% hit.
Fixed energy efficiency up, it should now display % of energy spent on instants/blade flurry. (Ghostly strike is not counted as an instant in this case).
Fixed an issue with limits on the next-stat sheet.
Fixed the HP value to follow lvl 70 instead of 60.
Changed how Hourglass of the Unraveler is modeled based on data from Bleedo, Bonechewer and suggestions from others that there was an invisible cooldown. This makes the trinket more in line with its item-level, but is still a little overpowered.
Changed lifestealing to deal 19 damage at 70. This is based on a guess and at this point, noone should be using crusader or lifesteal anyway.
Changed haste rating effect to be increased by 50% to follow 2.0.7 patch notes. (now it is unquestionably the best stat for a raiding rogue, surpassing agi/skill) Blizzard should really apply this to +skill rating as well.
Changed the base dodge chance of a 70 rogue to -.59%. This is from data on wowwiki and could be wrong.
Added a version of Braided Eternium Chain without the buff as I learned the buff has limited charges and even with infinite charges, you will not have the buff 100% of the time.
Added new items.
To make future changes to the cycle sheet easier (ie no more 2piece netherblade problems), I removed a bit of redundant data.

Just checked with my rogue, seems to be correct (0.41% dodge after substracting agility and dodge rating, and then -1% for the night elf racial = -0.59%).

I noticed the sheet is still using the old values for Vengeance Wrap in stead of the new one. Also i can't seem to find a way to socket cloaks even after changed the cloaks stats.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24259

I have a query regarding, I spose, an 'overlook' in set bonus synergy with immunity to a finisher and combo point loss.

The assassination set bonus:
can be triggered on mobs immune to both attacks and becuase they are immune, do not use up any combo points. I havnt though too much about how to perfectly slot it into a cycle, Im really not very imaginitive or knowledgable on theorycrafting ideas out so.. I was wondering how/if it would be worthwhile to use this in your dmg cycle against mobs immune to the effect so you get combo point free SnD'esque effect, which of course stacks with SnD.

My best thought was that @ 5 combo points to make sure you get a relentless proc, you could kidney shot right before using the combo points up.

Any thoughts?

I think it's unquestionably worthwhile at 5 CP; the major problem is figuring out how to properly incorporate it into the CP/cycle modeling portion of the sheet.

getting the "immune" message on a boss when using KS to proc that haste effect doesn't activate quick recovery or relentless strikes; it's a straight up haste bonus for 25 energy, where it goes in your cycle doesn't really matter (no chance to recover energy, no chance to lose combo points). I've never used it more than as a way to switch things up a little bit, my back of the envelope made it only come out to an extra 2 or 3 swings, so the DPE ain't hot but it's fun to hear the AR sound after being mutilate for so long.

NB: haven't played 2.0.7, this might be changed.

Is it too much if I raise this again: I would really appreciate if we could capitalise our sentences...

It seems that the search function isn't working and I'd really like to know if anyone has figured out how the +weapon damage from items works. Specifically, does it add the full +damage to the offhand, or just half of it (before talents). Thanks!

If a failed Kidney Shot always requires 25 energy (ie no relentless/quick recovery), then using the set bonus is most likely a waste of energy. If this is the case, there is no reason to model it, especially considering gaining the proc after an immune message is most likely an unintended bug that will probably be fixed.
+dmg affects the mainhand fully and the offhand by whatever % it is supposed to. So without talents, +2dmg would be +2/+1.

Unfortunately, changed items are not something I was scanning for, only new items. And since there were no worthwhile cloaks with sockets (just like rings), I did not implement them.

You are correct. They all should be multiplied by 3.9. The 2.9 was simply a typo followed by copy/pasting.

So this mean anything in the result of weapon skill and it's effect to your bottom line damage? Or is it just a number displayed for the user somewhere on the sheet that's wrong.

Wondering about the accuracy of difference between my Grips of the Deftness and Fel Leather Gloves.

First of great sheet! Following you and kalman's work for a long time and sad t osee you go. Kalman you playing a mage now? Always like you engineering names for chars.

I have been playing around with the sheet and there are a few pointers i would like if you can clear up for me.

1) If i for instance remove all buffs, the "additional DPS" differs from the unbuffed? Why is that, cause with swords the difference is 90 dps and and with daggers 60. (vindicator,latros rift/whisp and rift/shiv used)

2) The other thing i was wondering is about sword spec modeling and weapon speeds. Is latros truly the best DPS offhand sword in the game? Not sure how come there is like 40dps difference between revenger and latros buffed with 0.1 speed and added stats.

Im unsure, if latro's is better than Gladiator swiftblade for offhand. Seeing that 15-30 DPS difference between them. PF, is this correct? Modeling of the offhand swords? Can the stats, with the extra swords procs really value to such a high DPS value? Even compared to revenger its like 40 dps difference buffed.

With lathros and say vindicator, it looks like sword spec DPS is way better than mutilate with riftmaker and whispering blade. Combat daggers beat it marginally but with position requirement make it lacking.

Does this mean that combat swords are highest DPS for raid rogue if he has lathros? Lathros that good? Not sure that modeling is correct ....

Sorry, I was musing on how you'd implement it for the specific case as mentioned that you're hitting an immune mob hence no loss of CP. My mind naturally started down the path 'and how would you implement this for all cases?'
In the first case, you just write the new cycle with a '25 energy for 160 haste for 9s' portion around the CD of KS.

On to the more general case.
Dropping relentless on my cycle drops me from a 5s/5r to a 5s/4r.
The question would then be - does using KS on a relentless proc make up for the loss of that 1 cb more in the rupture?

That works out at around 321 damage unbuffed for me at the moment.

Simply adding an extra 160 haste to my sheet produces a dps gain of 37.4.
Over 9s that's 337 damage.
On average over the cycle you'll have 1.2 relentless procs on your 5 point finishers, for an average damage gain of 404. So 13 dps more.

That's neglecting the relentless proc chance on your KS reducing the cost of getting your 5 points.

Tried it for group buffed, less of an improvement but still one there. Tried it for raid buffed and it dissappeared. Though I suspect anything you're raiding is HS immune and hence your into the first scenario of no lost CBs.

That's the hash job 'if you Relentless, model it as if you don't then add Haste effect' implementation. Seems way more complex to work it out if you don't have relentless already.

Edit: gah. Usual bonehead manouver getting Relentless and Ruthlessness the wrong way round. Least I didn't sake Remorselessness. Was it entirely neccessary to have so many low tier assassination talents that sound the same?

I just switched from Combat Swords with Vindicator/Latro's to Combat Daggers with Emerald Ripper/Latro's and my DPS is noticeably improved, especially on trash with Backstab critting for 1800 - 2250. I'm working on getting a Warp Splinter's Thorn for my OH and expect another significant damage bump from that.

Given the quality of my former swords, the fact that I don't have an offhand dagger yet, and a glance ahead at itemization for potential upgrade daggers/swords I don't think I'll be going back to swords for PVE anytime soon. I'll still keep them around for solo questing/grinding though.