Hmm.. whats the chances that dual wielding The Night Blade will stack the procs like Crusader/Mongoose enchants?

zero i'd guess, as the debuff is a selfbuff and has a stack limit.
but if you have another 1-2k gold to spare, get a second and let us know

Has anyone mathcrafted what the damage range or dps of a dagger that would actually surpass TNB would be? To help illustrate what I mean, a reply would be like "It would take a dagger with 40 more damage on the top and bottom end to beat TNB or a 100dps dagger would beat it as well."

That answer wouldn't be as simple as "It would take +20 DPS," because armor reductions such as TNB proc increase your damage by a percentage. So the better your other gear, the more benefit you'd get from TNB, and the more it'll take to replace it. So I guess the answer is use the spreadsheet to test your own personal case

Can anyone tell me how to expose the formula for Deadly Poison damage?

I ask because I'm 41/20 spec and the spreadsheet tells me that a Gladiator's Shiv (offhand dagger) will up my DPS by a few points more than a Gladiator's Shanker (mainhand dagger) which seems counterintuitive based on how mutilate works and how it makes up ~1/3 of my damage.

If I take DP7 off my offhand and compare gained DPS (instead of total) the Shanker clearly wins out. Is the added speed of getting to a 5 stack of DP7 really worth the loss in mutilate damage like the sheet claims?

I'm an Excel noob so if the formula is there somewhere and I just can't see it, apologies.

For me on the spreadsheet, TNB modled at 20 dps higher than the Shanker in the mainhand and 5 dps less than what I have currently (Feltooth Evis) in offhand. It's interesting to note that the benefit of the proc while having it in the offhand doesn't make up for the potential loss of combat potency procs incurred by having a slower offhand. It's especially interesting considering VitaminC's modeling of Combat Potency to average energy per second that the difference between a 1.8 speed offhand and a 1.4 speed offhand is only 1 energy per second on average.

I will have to play with the spreadsheet and try to stack +hit gems and gear to see if i can ever get TNB to be better dps than the Feltooth Evis in offhand.

It's a common misconception that you're losing a lot of mutilate damage by having A shanker in main hand and a fast dagger in the offhand compared against shanker x2. I think the difference in damage is 1%.

VitaminC modled various daggers and mutilate damage against 2x shankers on his website: http://roguecrap.blogspot.com

So, I can see where having a faster offhand proc more DP can offset the 1% damage loss.

Although 1 energy per second doesn't seem like much, your base energy regen is only 10 per second. A 10% increase in energy per second is pretty huge.

Quick question. Anyone know the exact amount of hit is cap with the new formula considering 365 skill?(human rogue using swords) I did fast math and got to 262 not 100% sure though

hit cap is still 24.6% against lvl+3

1%hit -> 15.8 hit rating

substract 5% for 5/5 precision
substract 5*0.04 for your racial +5 skill

-> your hitcap 24.6 - 5 - 0.2 = 19.4
-> 19.4 * 15.8 = 307 hit rating

ps. its late, if i miscalculated, correct me please.


on a sidenote -> to make the dps formula more exact check out the screenshot of "The Lurker Below" he can be checked by a hunter for stats -> http://www.wowhead.com/images/screenshots/19461.jpg -> which says 7685 armor for a boss
might be interesting to make the sustained boss dps more accurate.

On a sidenote, does the TNB proc stack with Badge of the Swarmguard?
Also, while looking at the buff type, I just found Icon of Unyielding Courage.


Serrated Blades uses the same buff aura (Apply Aura: Mod Power Cost % (Physical)), and I assume that it stacks with the buffs from those items. So shouldn't the items stack as well?

However, we know that the 35 resilience bonus from pvp/gladiator gear does NOT stack, and they are also using the same aura. Somebody wants to test this?

daemona, why +3 weapon skill ? i see only 350 weapon skill at your armory profile
besides this your maths seems correct to me

here are my result for the same test

armory link: http://armory.wow-europe.com/#charac...nger&n=Anumath (switched the searing sunblade with gladiators shiv -> 8 hit rating more)


212 hit rating -> 13,4177% hit (212 / 15,8)
5/5 precision -> 5% hit
--> 18,4177% hit

so i should have 5,5823% miss (24 - 18,4177)

about 50 minutes of auto attacking haalum result as follows:
3996 hits
203 misses
--> 5,080% miss (203 / 39,96)

=> 23,4977% dual wield missrate (18,4177 + 5,080)
so the 24% seems to be correct

Each weapon skill is .2% hit not .04, it's also another .2% chance to crit... I could be misreading crezax' retarded post though. From what he said, +5 skill would give 1% to hit and 1% to crit.

I could be wrong. Anyone could, actually, we don't have any information on this.

My test of the effects of skill, assuming we know what the hell is going on with DW miss:

232 HR : 14.71% hit
5/5 Precision: 5% hit

Total hit : 19.71%
By default I should have 4.3% miss.

I modified my dagger skill from 350 to 351(+7 rating from using Twin Bladed Ripper).
First test:
24 miss out of 635 total swings, for a 3.77% miss percentage. So here, it looks like 1 weapon skill(7 rating) is reducing total misses by .6%. However, that's a very small sample size(damn alliance) and I'm skeptical, so I'm working on a bigger sample on Haalum.

Haalum stats!

4181 swings, 180 misses. Exactly 4.3% miss rate on the dot.

As it should be and was pointed out to me on IRC, the +skill doesn't change anything here because it's a level 70 mob.

I was under the impression that +skill does (still) affect mobs at the same level as you, and that it just increases its utility as the level of your target increases as well.

But whatever, unless we get a clear stating from anybody, it's all just guessing.

Hi, I use Open office and I would like add some weapons, but I don't know how... Please help me. Thanks you!

@ Koaschten edited :p

@all i fubar'd.... i got weapon expertise and latros... so 363 sword skill.. was definitly too late. going to edit my last post

@Fuzie you dont know how i guess, if you didnt know why, why would you want to add weapons

check the open-office menu for an option to unhide "hidden sheets"

I'd guess that it's because there are items not currently listed in the sheet that you would like to have compared to the existing ones. Hope that helps.

Thanks a lot I find it

I re-gemmed most of my cheap gems in my gear to offer at least some amount of +hit and now have a base of 262 Hit rating.

So now I have:

262 Hit Rating (16.61%)
5% Precision
2% From WeaponEx (?)
15 Skill from my mainhand (damn you prince and I dont have 3k gold)

It's early and I haven't had coffee but is that 15 skill worth 3% hit?

If so I should be at 16.61 + 5 + 2 + 3 = 26.61% hit. Is that correct?

Do you guys need me to beat on any mobs to test anything?

Yeah, i'm pretty certain that this was how the 1.0 incarnation worked - the marginal amounts of +hit/+crit/-dodge/-parry always applied, no matter the level of your target, while the glancing penalty reduction was only in effect vs mobs that caused you to glance. Whether or not that's relevant to the current implementation or not though, i've no idea.

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Assuming you mean the whispering blade, that's 15 dagger skill rating, which translates to ~3.8 skill (although whether skill actually functions at non-integer values is beyond me - the character screen simpy rounds down, which may or may not be a useful indicator...). So assuming 1.0 values, that's +0.06% hit. Using the values from the EU blue post, that would be +0.6% hit (assuming it rounds down to +3 skill).

So in total, you should have somewhere between 22.13% hit (worst case - +skill rating rounds down to the nearest integer +skill value, 1.0 numbers for +hit from +skill) and ~24.38% (best case - crezax numbers, using the full non-integer translation of rating to +skill).

I'd go do some parsing myself if I wasn't stuck with a broken graphics card and waiting for a replacement to be delivered