Rogue DPS Spreadsheet - Page 37

Lace · 02/09/07, 6:10 AM

Originally Posted by thingol

I have had my hourglass refresh it self before the end of the buff so Im not sure this is true

I've never had this happen as far as I can tell; I'll watch for it, but I know that it didn't happen in any of the 34 crits I was tracking pretty closely - you'd think it would have happened at least once. I'll also try to see if I can find a minimum time between the finish of the proc and the next proc.

Mem · 02/09/07, 7:03 AM

Originally Posted by Notyou

Does anyone happen to know the procrate on Blackout Truncheon? I'd heard reports that it was less than .5 PPM, but it's got a higher haste rating than the Abacus of Violent Odds (which if that procrate is accurate would give it less than the Abacus).

I got a truncheon yesterday and tested it a little bit (although I didn't use a tool for it). Its proccrate is rather unimpressive, less than .5ppm sounds about to be right. If I were to chose a offhand weapon for a combat spec I would probably prefer a fast dagger like the one from the endboss of botanica. If I don't run an instance tonight I might try to measure it - does proccwatch still work?

edit: those haste effects might become even more interesting if Blizz really buffs them as it was announced in the new test patch notes.

The amount of haste granted by a point of haste rating has been increased by about 50%

Notyou · 02/09/07, 4:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mem

Originally Posted by Notyou

Does anyone happen to know the procrate on Blackout Truncheon? I'd heard reports that it was less than .5 PPM, but it's got a higher haste rating than the Abacus of Violent Odds (which if that procrate is accurate would give it less than the Abacus).

I got a truncheon yesterday and tested it a little bit (although I didn't use a tool for it). Its proccrate is rather unimpressive, less than .5ppm sounds about to be right. If I were to chose a offhand weapon for a combat spec I would probably prefer a fast dagger like the one from the endboss of botanica. If I don't run an instance tonight I might try to measure it - does proccwatch still work?

edit: those haste effects might become even more interesting if Blizz really buffs them as it was announced in the new test patch notes.

The amount of haste granted by a point of haste rating has been increased by about 50%

Yea, I was actually eyeing the dagger from the Botanica until I can pick up enough heroics. I'm currently using Latro's with Fool's Bane just because I had the sword first, but I swapped over to mace spec with the mace and was hoping for an offhand mace to pair with it. And with the haste boost in the patch notes, the Truncheon could still be a viable offhand. I still wish I had some actual data though.

I guess I'll just keep trying to pick one up and run a test myself.

Mooz · 02/09/07, 5:13 PM

I'm going to be away this weekend and the early part of next week, but if no one has done so by the time I get back, I'll go have a party with the servants in BL with just the Drakefist in my MH, and then a run with just the Truncheon in my offhand.

MeCh · 02/09/07, 7:45 PM

Is there no Shiv cycle yet?

pf · 02/09/07, 8:15 PM

Originally Posted by MeCh

Is there no Shiv cycle yet?

No, and I am not going to put one in since shiv is inferior to SS almost 100% of the time in "cycle" situations.

http://rogue.bleedo.net/ssvshiv.xls

You need a 1.3 sword/mace/fist to even make the 2 fairly comparable. There are exactly 0 non-dagger 1.3 speed weapons in the game.

Hopefully y'all can figure out the hourglass trinket soon and see if it has a cooldown (1 double proc proves that wrong, so it shouldnt be hard to do that). Also, it would be nice to see info for all +haste procs from maces as the value used is simply a guess. Anyway, the +haste increased by 50% should make it the most desirable stat for raiding rogues if it existed as an itemized stat anyway. +skill rating needs a similar boost to make it definitively better than agi/ap/crit/hit for bossfights, but +haste is the best raiding stat if the changes go live, especially so for combat potency rogues. Really makes you wonder what the devs were thinking when they overnerfed +skill to make it have the same power as other stats vs only bossmobs.

Tinkerfizzle · 02/09/07, 11:29 PM

I have had the Hourglass trinket for about a week and a half, and through steady use, I have never had a double proc at all.

Bleedo · 02/10/07, 12:28 AM

I want to add something to the Shoulder dropdown above Bonescythe but it seems like the dropdown is set to start at Bonescythe and run until "None", so how do I change this, so that I can add something before? (to keep the list in alphabetical order)

zarf55 · 02/10/07, 10:26 AM

Bleedo, add in your new items, then use:
Insert --> Name --> Define
scroll down to ShoulderList
and change the reference so it is starting from $A$2 again.

pf · 02/10/07, 4:49 PM

Originally Posted by Tinkerfizzle

I have had the Hourglass trinket for about a week and a half, and through steady use, I have never had a double proc at all.

Interesting.

Originally Posted by zarf55

Bleedo, add in your new items, then use:
Insert --> Name --> Define
scroll down to ShoulderList
and change the reference so it is starting from $A$2 again.

You also need to change Shoulderstats to start at $a$2 or it will break the sheet chosing the first option.

Mimesis · 02/10/07, 5:10 PM

Originally Posted by Tinkerfizzle

I have had the Hourglass trinket for about a week and a half, and through steady use, I have never had a double proc at all.

I can attest to this. I had the Hourgless trinket as soon as i hit 70 one week after release and haven't noticed a double proc, even thought I've been watching for it.

crs · 02/10/07, 6:02 PM

Originally Posted by Tinkerfizzle

I have had the Hourglass trinket for about a week and a half, and through steady use, I have never had a double proc at all.

i can confirm that
i have the trinket for about 2 weeks and never had a double proc at all

• Andeh · 02/10/07, 6:03 PM

In the days after I got my Hourglass, I started noticing myself that there appeared to be a cooldown window on it before it could proc again. This was before I saw this post. I strongly feel that this is the case. The best example I've found of this is having it proc when I pull a mob with thrown, and it will never proc again before the mob dies.

pf · 02/10/07, 11:06 PM

If there is truely and invisible cooldown, then someone needs to find out exactly how long it is. Best way would be to beat on the servants in BL for an extended time(go afk with heroism or something) and run a combat log. Parse through the log and figure out the shortest time between procs and that would be our best guess on this cooldown. Why blizzard would make an invisible cooldown on something like this instead of fixing it to a balanced procrate is beyond me, but if the cooldown idea holds up, the procrate of the trinket could actually be 10%, and would be trivial to model that way.

Xizenta · 02/11/07, 7:07 AM

There is definitely a cooldown, I got the trinket about ten days ago and have a buffwatch bar, I would have noticed a back to back proc.

So I turned on procwatch and recap and hit the servants in blasted lands and tried a few things.

One, I tested with my armor on and off, to see what the difference in buff uptime would be (was curious if blizzard had modeled this trinket PPM style so stacking crit wouldnt help.)

The result after a bit of combat was noticable... I didnt bother to record or calculate the data for w/gear on and high critrate because I believed that the crit was helping it proc more often after all and did not need that information.

I had a 5% uptime with 12% crit, 948 hits+crits. This was with the gear off. The chance on crit for this period was 7% (at 22% crit I had roughly the same chance on crit.)

Obviously with raid buffs I would have a little over 10% uptime.

I never saw it proc within less than a minute of itself, but didn't lock down a cooldown after all, because I havent figured out a way of gathering the time between procs to use pf's suggested method.