This thread is pretty interesting. If anyone would like data on specific level mobs with specific Hit, I currently have precision, Wep. Ex., DWing daggers with 323 HR. I'm planning on re-gemming to drop down a bit, but if there's some tests I can do that would help, I can do that before I mess with my gems.

Edit: I'm really interested in the weapon skill part of this discussion, as I was still showing misses with 24.15% Hit, but only 353 Weapon skill on my OH (360 MH, mace spec). I'm starting to think that all of those misses might have been coming from the offhand...

Note: Aldriana is referring to testing vs 73 mobs here.

I know for 100% fact that I showed misses against at least 73's with 302 HR and Latro's (and no Wep. Ex)
More than one miss as well, something on the order of 1% total misses for a Kara clear.

Edit: Seeing if I have any recap SS's of that run.

Couldn't find the full Kara clear, I must not have SS'd it.

I do have two specific fights where I was at 302 HR with Latro's OH and no Wep. Expertise though.

Gruul (3/27/07):
http://i5.tinypic.com/4ct2p94.jpg

Aran (3/28/07):
http://i12.tinypic.com/484fsj4.jpg

Seems as though I may have overcomplicated things. Let me see if I can unmuddle the situation .

What would be helpful is an exact determination of where the hit cap is for a variety of weapon skill values, against level 73 mobs.

Since we are trying to find the first amount of hit rating where it is no longer possible to miss, as soon as you miss once with one of these setups, you can stop the data set - however, this will probably take a couple thousand swings. If, however, you continue to always hit, please continue as long as you can - ideally, we'd like 10k swings without a miss to show that we're above the hit cap.

So, to confirm or disprove the current theory, we should test at as many as possible of the following values of hit rating (assuming precision in all cases):

WEx Only (360 weapon skill): 307, 308
WEx + Latro's (363 weapon skill): 302, 303
WEx + 2xLatro's (should be 367 weapon skill): 296, 297
WEx + 2xLatro's + Grips of the Deftness/ACLG (or equivalent; 369 weapon skill): 293, 294
No WEx (350 weapon skill): 323, 324

In each case, the expectation is that the lower of the two numbers will miss once every couple of thousand attacks, and the higher of the two will always hit.

Ald

1% total misses is about what's expected w/o WEx. With Latro's but no WEx, the theory is that you would need 319 hit rating to never miss vs a level 73.

Trash/Maulgar/Trash/Gruul, 0 misses with 308 HR and 360 Skill.

1138 Attacks
729 Hit
328 Crit
12 Parry
62 Dodge
0 Miss

Not a huge sample, maybe I should have suggested wiping to Gruul a few times. =D

Interesting, to be sure. Problem is: trash isn't level 73, which is gonna throw things off. When taking data, please try to parse only boss fights and other 73s.

Ald

I have the txt log still, I can strip it later.

If you arent good at parsing stuff, posting it will allow others who are better at it easy access to it. Also, welcome to the EJ forums Ippon, most people do not last as long as you did competently posting on the WoW forums.

Got a good parser for windows? Never had the need to do it on my own PC before. >_<

I seem to be the only one that still enjoys yelling at people during work though. =(

You're all party poopers.

I quit my old job and my new job has less time for yelling at people.

Or maybe I just have less tolerance for their stupidity, I don't know.

I ran right out of patience about two months ago on the EU boards. When they did the change over of forums they didn't keep my stickies, I still hung around correcting all the misinformation in the new stickies for a while but eventually it got to me.

I still post occasionally in my lunch hour when I'm feeling like playing whack a mole with the forum idiots, but I'm not as patient with them as I used to be (and I wasn't that much to start with). In fact I think my last post had 'I sometimes wonder at the sheer incompetency that manages to find it's way onto these baords' or similar as a last line.

How you can get to 70 and not understand how AP effects damage done from instant attacks just completely baffled me.

WWS Doesn't seem to break down "misses" into parry/dodge/miss, unless I missed an option somewhere. =\

I was in the same situation. I wanted to parse my combat log on a windows box. Instead of just posting my log here, I got impatient and downloaded GREP ported to windows. It worked just fine and has all the same functionality as the *nix GREP command.

You can get it here: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/grep.htm if you like.

Oh yea, welcome to the real forums. About damn time. I was thinking about rolling an alt on Lothar the other day just to tell you to get over here.

People like that are just "playing" wow, they don't try to understand "how". And it is very unpleasant when you try your best in raid and see that your fellow guildies can't keep up because they don't put some efforts to understand their classes and play better.
It gets on my nerves everytime


PS : Sorry for the rant, hard day at work

seriously stop trying to talk ippon away from the WoW boards, because he is the only reason I still read those boards. For some reason the quality, which was never really good, drop drastically when TBC came out. Maybe everyone migrating here had a bigger effect than i had really realized /shrug.

WWS is supposed to be fixing the parry/block/miss problem. I noticed this over the weekend and posted on their forums. Lossendi said it would be fixed soon on the server version.

Huh, I posted about half a year ago about this issue on his board, wouldn't be too sure about a quick fix.

this beauty just dropped from Void Reaver for my guild. a fellow rogue got it. will upload a log from Magtheridons Lair later to check for the proc rate.

I stopped looking at any of the official forums that weren't my realm a few months back. It got to be too much.

To continue the OT posting, I just got a new job and moved. My last job had me traveling and working from hotels. I feel like I'm months behind, and really miss being able to idle in IRC while at work

Ippon is still using his Tribes handle. And I'm a huge nerd for knowing that.

I would have used it for WoW too, but it wouldn't let me capitalize the S. =(