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Old 03/09/07, 5:12 AM   #721
Lace
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Zenedar (EU)
Has anyone had the chance to beat on a Blasted Lands mob with the Dragonspine Trophy? I assume it functions similar to the Hourglass of the Unraveller; something around a 30 second CD on the proc.

I'd be curious to know how often it procs when wailing on a Servant of Allistarj for an hour.

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Old 03/09/07, 7:44 AM   #722
koaschten
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Khaz'goroth (EU)
ninja'd out of the wowhead comment for dragonspine trophy:


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Old 03/09/07, 8:32 AM   #723
Kharzaljim
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Just a random catch here, on The Night Blade. Your data calculates procs per swings.

302 procs / (per) 2113 swings = 0.1429, or 14.29% chance on hit.

For clarification:
2113 procs per 302 swings = 6.9967, or almost 7 procs per each swing.

Just some transposed variables it looks like, nothing to sweat about.

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Old 03/09/07, 10:18 AM   #724
Lace
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Zenedar (EU)
Originally Posted by koaschten View Post
ninja'd out of the wowhead comment for dragonspine trophy:

Wow, that makes it the new number one trinket by a good 5-6 DPS (over Bloodlust Broach) for a rogue. Based on that data, it looks like it procs once every 45 seconds in a static fight; this sounds about right as that's the average proc time for the Hourglass and it wouldn't surprise me if they used the same mechanic.

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Old 03/09/07, 10:47 AM   #725
Svidrigailov
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Human Paladin
 
Dark Iron
I was the person who made the WoWHead post. I've seen the Dragonspine buff refresh itself before, so if you're referring to the "cooldown" on the Hourglass proc, I don't believe it does.

And yeah, it's an absolutely ridiculous trinket with SnD and specials factored in.

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Old 03/09/07, 10:54 AM   #726
Zandig
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Bloodscalp
Originally Posted by Lace View Post
Wow, that makes it the new number one trinket by a good 5-6 DPS (over Bloodlust Broach) for a rogue. Based on that data, it looks like it procs once every 45 seconds in a static fight; this sounds about right as that's the average proc time for the Hourglass and it wouldn't surprise me if they used the same mechanic.
Sorry for the slight derail, but is the hourglass modeled correctly in PFs spreadsheet? I would have expected it to be better than the Abacus of Violent Odds, but it never seems to be.

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Old 03/09/07, 11:09 AM   #727
Jaerba
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Murloc Mage
 
Black Dragonflight
Ok, did another set, this time in Blasted Lands. Same thing, no OH equipped, no skills used, and I counted each time it refreshed after 3 stacks. This is the recent screenshot, there were 15 additional refreshes that don't show up (the ones I counted.) So that's 243 procs in 1032 hits (23.5%)

Here's the Procwatch from the first test (1080), I forgot to get one from last night.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4904/nightbladekh9.jpg

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Old 03/09/07, 12:17 PM   #728
roq
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Troll Rogue
 
Uther
I haven't seen this much anywhere, and since we do have 3 rogue threads, i felt this one would be the best one to post it in. Have any of you have any experience with the riftmaker? I am not as concerned with the damage, but more about the proc.

How often does it proc? Does it stack with Thunderfury and or Thunderclap? Do you guys find it worth using at this point?

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Old 03/09/07, 12:33 PM   #729
Tower
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Undead Rogue
 
Blackhand
Doesn't stack with anything, unfortunately. I haven't used procwatch on it, but I'd put it at 1ppm. I suppose it has it's uses. Another rogue and I were mainhanding it for our initial Gruul learning, where we used a druid tank for Blindeye. The proc was up a lot.

With the change to Thunderclap in defensive, it kinda went from casually useful to pretty useless. I'll keep it around in my bags for heroics tanked by bears I guess, for hard hitting bosses maybe.

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Old 03/09/07, 1:21 PM   #730
Svidrigailov
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Human Paladin
 
Dark Iron
Originally Posted by Svidrigailov View Post
I was the person who made the WoWHead post. I've seen the Dragonspine buff refresh itself before, so if you're referring to the "cooldown" on the Hourglass proc, I don't believe it does.

And yeah, it's an absolutely ridiculous trinket with SnD and specials factored in.
Yeah, took a while, but I just saw it refresh itself.

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Old 03/09/07, 2:21 PM   #731
Jaerba
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Murloc Mage
 
Black Dragonflight
So is there no way to change the proc % in the spreadsheet without Pf doing it? :/

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Old 03/09/07, 2:45 PM   #732
Kalman
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Originally Posted by Jaerba View Post
So is there no way to change the proc % in the spreadsheet without Pf doing it? :/
You can edit it locally; if someone tracks down Bleedo, he could probably get updated versions onto his site.

Melador> Incidentally, these last few pages are why people hate lawyers.
Viator> I really don't want to go all Kalman here.
Bury> Just imagine what the world would be like if you used your powers for good.

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Old 03/09/07, 3:10 PM   #733
Jaerba
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Murloc Mage
 
Black Dragonflight
Where would I do that in Excel?

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Old 03/09/07, 3:21 PM   #734
Kalman
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Originally Posted by Jaerba View Post
Where would I do that in Excel?
Unhide the Weapons sheet and poke around in there. I can't tell you exactly where to edit in there at first glance.

Melador> Incidentally, these last few pages are why people hate lawyers.
Viator> I really don't want to go all Kalman here.
Bury> Just imagine what the world would be like if you used your powers for good.

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Old 03/09/07, 4:05 PM   #735
pf
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Dwarf Rogue
 
Garona
Originally Posted by Kalman View Post
Unhide the Weapons sheet and poke around in there. I can't tell you exactly where to edit in there at first glance.
Actually, I used a flat reduction of 100 armor for the proc as noone had the weapon when I made that guess. You can change the flat amount at 'unbuffed dps'!m36 and 'buffed dps'!m36.

I am trying to get another version out with the new skill by tomorrow, and I'll look at changing the flat amount to a more reasonable level. Unfortunately, making it proc based on the sheet would cause circular references and I avoid those. I'll try to come up with a decent estimate later tonight based on the data given in this thread.

The dragonspine trophy is something for someone else to model and figure out its mechanics (ie does it have an invis cooldown etc) as I have no desire to implement "hard" mechanics anymore.

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