Rogue DPS Spreadsheet - Page 51

Hair · 03/12/07, 5:11 PM

Originally Posted by GoodlyMother

Hit cap ... would be at ~310 (hit rating)? Also, would this be the hit cap for boss mobs such as Gruul, Magtheridon, etc.?

Does this number seem correct to anyone else?

Holly · 03/12/07, 5:15 PM

I use the speadsheet for some months, but while I updated it today, I was wondering about two things.

The first thing is the unbuffed DPS sheet tells me, that hit rating seems to give me a lot more DPS than crit rating (the ratio is 1:1.23). I am aware, that +hit benefits combat potency a lot and I'm using Thunderfury as my off-hand, which also profits from hit rating. But even when I switch to Latro's and turn CP off, 1 hit rating is worth 1.17 crit rating. My spec is 11/43/7, so I don't have lethality, but even with it, hit rating is worth more than crit.

Secondly the buffed "the next one" tables shows very high DPS gains from crit and hit. I expected it to be higher, but unbuffed 1 crit rating was worth 1.03 AP. Buffed it rises to 31 AP (and hit rating is still worth a little more than crit rating).

Xizenta · 03/12/07, 5:49 PM

Originally Posted by Holly

I use the speadsheet for some months, but while I updated it today, I was wondering about two things.

The first thing is the unbuffed DPS sheet tells me, that hit rating seems to give me a lot more DPS than crit rating (the ratio is 1:1.23). I am aware, that +hit benefits combat potency a lot and I'm using Thunderfury as my off-hand, which also profits from hit rating. But even when I switch to Latro's and turn CP off, 1 hit rating is worth 1.17 crit rating. My spec is 11/43/7, so I don't have lethality, but even with it, hit rating is worth more than crit.

Secondly the buffed "the next one" tables shows very high DPS gains from crit and hit. I expected it to be higher, but unbuffed 1 crit rating was worth 1.03 AP. Buffed it rises to 31 AP (and hit rating is still worth a little more than crit rating).

You don't have a question up there, so I don't know that you are looking for an answer... But, it all depends on your current hit and crit, for some people crit is shown as being worth more, because my ratio of crit to hit is different from yours.

sp00n · 03/13/07, 5:21 AM

Originally Posted by Holly

I use the speadsheet for some months, but while I updated it today, I was wondering about two things.

The first thing is the unbuffed DPS sheet tells me, that hit rating seems to give me a lot more DPS than crit rating (the ratio is 1:1.23). I am aware, that +hit benefits combat potency a lot and I'm using Thunderfury as my off-hand, which also profits from hit rating. But even when I switch to Latro's and turn CP off, 1 hit rating is worth 1.17 crit rating. My spec is 11/43/7, so I don't have lethality, but even with it, hit rating is worth more than crit.

Secondly the buffed "the next one" tables shows very high DPS gains from crit and hit. I expected it to be higher, but unbuffed 1 crit rating was worth 1.03 AP. Buffed it rises to 31 AP (and hit rating is still worth a little more than crit rating).

You need only 15.77 hit rating for 1% hit, but 22.08 crit rating for 1% crit. This is why 1 hit rating shows more dps gain than 1 crit rating.

As for "the next one", I cannot follow your numbers. Even if I enable every single buff in the sheet (giving me >2000 dps btw), 1 crit rating is worth only 1.83 AP. Unbuffed it's 1.25 AP.

Are you sure you didn't mess something up? 31 AP seems very broken.
Your sheet could be broken, try to download it again. If that doesn't help, maybe there's a bug in the formula. Uploading your current sheet may be helpful in that case.

Holly · 03/13/07, 6:17 AM

Originally Posted by sp00n

You need only 15.77 hit rating for 1% hit, but 22.08 crit rating for 1% crit. This is why 1 hit rating shows more dps gain than 1 crit rating.

Uh, I totally overlooked that, thank you.

Originally Posted by sp00n

As for "the next one", I cannot follow your numbers. Even if I enable every single buff in the sheet (giving me >2000 dps btw), 1 crit rating is worth only 1.83 AP. Unbuffed it's 1.25 AP.

That's what I wanted to point out. I didn't change anything but my gear and spec on the sheet. So when I'm home from work I will download it again and check if something was broken with my file.

Enkidu · 03/13/07, 7:11 AM

Out of curiosity, has anyone considered a 11/21/29 spec? It seems interesting on paper and plugging it into the sheet does give a pretty good result with hemo estimate on, even more so with mangle (only changed MH to Spiteblade and talents/mangle, left the rest as it came with the sheet).

Azaziel · 03/13/07, 8:17 AM

Im running 11/21/29 atm and I have to say I love it. Its definitly a great spec for heroics and even though I realise that I would be able to do a little better damagewise in raids with a combat spec I have been doing very respectable damage so far in our KZ runs. Enough for threat to be the biggest concern in most fights. Im running with Blacksmith mace and searing dagger as weapons atm. If you have a good enough mainhand I would definitly recommend people to try it out atleast.

Melnor · 03/13/07, 8:42 AM

Originally Posted by Enkidu

... it into the sheet does give a pretty good result with hemo estimate on, ...

Enabling that checkbox is kind of misleading becuase it assumes you use up all of the Hemo charges which is ok for soloing but unlikely in a raid. When comparing the dps of a particular Hemo build to something else, it's often useful to leave that check box unchecked.

• Maestroquark · 03/13/07, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Melnor

Enabling that checkbox is kind of misleading becuase it assumes you use up all of the Hemo charges which is ok for soloing but unlikely in a raid. When comparing the dps of a particular Hemo build to something else, it's often useful to leave that check box unchecked.

Your point is only valid if you only care about your DPS and not the raid's total DPS. As long as all the charges are getting used, enabling the box is a more accurate picture of your value to the group.

Melnor · 03/13/07, 2:52 PM

I always thought the spreadsheet was designed to only care about your dps.

Triton · 03/13/07, 3:58 PM

Originally Posted by Enkidu

Out of curiosity, has anyone considered a 11/21/29 spec? It seems interesting on paper and plugging it into the sheet does give a pretty good result with hemo estimate on, even more so with mangle (only changed MH to Spiteblade and talents/mangle, left the rest as it came with the sheet).

I was using a Hemo variant for solo leveling and it was pretty fun with ghostly strike, setup and lightning reflexes working well together. The utility added by the Sub tree doesn't seem very useful in raids or even 5mans though, and I went back to plain old combat swords at 70.

Kalman · 03/13/07, 7:28 PM

Originally Posted by Melnor

I always thought the spreadsheet was designed to only care about your dps.

It's designed to only care about DPS that you're responsible for.

Even though hemo debuff DPS isn't attributed to you, you're responsible for it. The hemo estimate is in there so that the *1st* hemo rogue in a raid can get a guess as to how much help he's providing the raid indirectly. Given the controversial nature of raiding with hemo at the time I added the estimate, it was also useful to show why *1* hemo rogue might be useful in a raid.

Bleedo · 03/14/07, 5:13 AM

Originally Posted by Kalman

You can edit it locally; if someone tracks down Bleedo, he could probably get updated versions onto his site.

Bleedo roams the lands, looking for food and wild game. He is also willing to upload any legitimately updated version of the sheet to the site, or possibly even give someone the disk space and access to do it themselves if approached by the approachers.

Kalman · 03/14/07, 5:16 AM

Originally Posted by Bleedo

Bleedo roams the lands, looking for food and wild game. He is also willing to upload any legitimately updated version of the sheet to the site, or possibly even give someone the disk space and access to do it themselves if approached by the approachers.

Does he remember to use Slice and Dice on the wild game? :p

Kink · 03/14/07, 6:37 AM

Originally Posted by Melnor

Enabling that checkbox is kind of misleading becuase it assumes you use up all of the Hemo charges which is ok for soloing but unlikely in a raid. When comparing the dps of a particular Hemo build to something else, it's often useful to leave that check box unchecked.

*snip edit*
Nevermind, Kalman explained it better than I did.