Does anyone know if it is safe to assume all boss mobs in TBC have 50% glancing chance, rather than the 40% we expected to have? I'm reasonably certain from my guild's Wow Web Stats of Gruul and Doom Lord Kazzak that they have 50% glance, but have not yet been able to parse data on any other 25 man bosses.

If so make sure to change the Glancing % value on the unbuffed and buffed dps sheets. It makes about 10dps difference to me, equivilent to a significant gear change.

11/21/29 was discussed pretty heavily in another thread called How I Learned To Love Imp Sap or something like that, basically a discussion of all specs you can hit to get 7+ points into Sub. You can find some good information there. Briefly I'll mention (since this is the wrong thread to do it in) that a big portion of the Kz trash (Moroes adds etc etc) are vulnerable to Blind, so a 1.5-minute makes my Priests much safer on Shackle breaks. I use MoD/Camou to peek around corners and assign targets. Sleight of Hand is nice when I don't have a Paladin and for the Resilience for my arena team, Initiative is always awesome for PvE and PvP, Serrated Blades is a straight DPS talent, Ghostly is good burst and (I think?) better DPE/DPS than Hemo. Heightened Senses is great for PvP and good for situational PvE (taking cleaves, Assassins, etc). Prep is awesome, 3m30 Evasion and Sprint with Prep in the same build means those cooldowns are *always* up. 1/2 Dirty Deeds is a nod towards my PvP and helps my 5-man energy efficiency. 4/5 Deadliness is straight DPS.

I fail to see what portion of the Sub tree outlined above you could say "isn't really useful in a 5man or raid." To give you an idea of the flexibility of the build, I kited Moroes' Prot Warrior yesterday while the rest of the DPS burned down the first add. Lots of specs could do it, none of those specs have the same tools at my disposal for kiting/OTing/surviving AND strong DPS AND good scalability to boot. I heartily suggest it.

Wouldn't you be contributing more on that fight by doing lots of DPS on the first Moroes add that's targeted for death than kiting around a target that could be shackled or offtanked? Cripple kiting is nice and all but you don't need to be deep in the Sub tree to pull that off. There's always a tradeoff to be made between utility/niceties and DPS but from my limited time in Gruul's Lair it looks like most of that utility won't be applicable post-Karazhan. 5 mans are a different story, but I was focusing on mostly the dodge-based aspect of Sub and thinking that I usually don't like being the target of an enemy mob.

Always and forever!

Thanks for the input, that confirms my suspicions as well as the numbers I ran on the DPS spreadsheet about CS (esp. with Latro's) vs. a Hemo build, and diminishing Sub utility when progressing from 5 -> 10 -> 25 instances.

I am sorry if this has been answered in earlier posts. Already tried the search option with no luck.

Has anyone done the math on CB Evisc vs CB Mutilate in raids with a 41/20/0-spec with Imp Evisc?

I have almost always used my Cold Blood on 5cp Eviscerates until now, but to be honest I'm not really sure which one does more DPS.

Should be easy to figure out whether 2*non-crit Evis > 2.3*non-crit Mutilate, but that doesn't account for the guaranteed third combo point when you CB-Mutilate. I think I've read people claim the answer is Mutilate, but haven't done the math myself.

Why do you need to know how long a given instance of the buff will last? Can't you just model the percent of time the proc is active by 1 - (1-P)^X?

Also, since you brought up short-circuiting a Mutilate cycle with Ruthlessness, let me ask about the 4-piece Netherblade bonus (15% for a combo point after finishers). I doubt anyone has four pieces yet, but I wonder if it's possible to proc both that and Ruthlessness, so there would be a small chance to short-circuit to a five-point finisher after one Mutilate, in addition to the slightly higher chance to short-circuit to a four-point finisher. Think that would have much effect on overall DPS for Mut builds?

Since TNB is a stacking buff, one cannot use that formula since it would only give % of time the buff is up instead of average amount of armor reduced by the buff. I was trying a stochastic process (i think thats the right word to describe how I am attempting it) to model the proc and the expected amont of time the 3-procced buff stays up is not coming to me through memory. The only way I can think to do it would be do it discreetly, but since hits per second is variable, that method does not seem to be optimal.

Anyway, the 4p NB bonus is modelled into the sheet assuming both can proc independently for mutilate. Just enable the buff by forcing the buffbox to be true to see how much dps you can expect to gain from it, then just hit undo so that you don't ruin your sheet.

PF/Kalman, have you done any analysis on the effect of resilience in comparing weapon specs? I know that traditionally combat fists will outdps combat swords by a small margin given equal itemization, but it'd appear that the reduction of crit damage from resilience (for example, at 197 resilience, you have a reduced chance to crit by 5%, and reduced crit damage done by 10%) would hurt fists much harder. Have you looked into a possible breakpoint where, at a given level of resilience, combat swords passes fists?

If you'd like to take it a step further, given that I am not a human and my only useful offhand is a Latro's, could you recommend the best weapon purchase (Glad fist or sword) for maxing PVP DPS? Keep in mind that I am referring to situations where I am attacking enemies with a significant amount of resilience (80+ at the low end). Odd question, I know. =p

Isn't the purpose of this spreadsheet for sustained DPS with a relatively high time on target? Which is almost everything that PvP isn't....