Think it means 5point s&nd, then 4point rupture, then repeat.

Personally with swordbuilds i go like this:

ss(1cp), snd(0cp), ar, bf, bers, ss,ss,ss,ss,ss(5cp), snd.

After that i have 30 seconds with snd up, and go over into the 5 evisc, 3snd, 5 snd, repeat.

Evisc can be replaced with rupture if u have spare debuff slots.

For me the sheet also shows 5s/4r as the combo that does most dps, tho im not sure how imp evisc and NOT imp rupture affects this, gonna check the spreadsheet again.

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According to the sheet, rupture outdamages evisc regardless of imp evisc or not. Tho as a longtime 3/5/5 cycler, im not sure how 5s/4r or even 5s/5e will hold up regarding energy cp usage/wastage... Not to mention being able to use 100% of the ar energy.

Side note, but it would be nice if they would change the sword spec alltogether in the expansion. Wouldn't it be a dream to have all 4 of our weapons as one "specialization"? This would help with having to respec every time you get a weapon. It's clearly obvious that sword spec absolutely blows. Get rid of it.

Is the Might of Cenarius ring modeled correctly. I don't see where it changes the max damage on weapons by 4?

You have to also realize that the rogue patch changed a lot of the numbers that made 3/5/5 the clear winner. Now both evis and rupture hit harder and scale somewhat with AP. 5s/4r has about 93% snd uptime while only having 5 energy wasted per cycle instead of the 20 energy wasted in 3/5/5. 3/5/5 still comes out ahead in a lot of situations, but 5/5 is probably better for those rogues with mc gear and those rogues with 4piece t3.

It is modelled as if it gives both the offhand and mainhand +4 more damage. It is not in the min/max columns though (those dont do anything besides look pretty anyway). However, it does follow offhand penalty, and I do not know if this is correct.

Cycles are abbreviated as # of CP, finisher used (R = Rupture, S = SnD, E = Eviscerate). Order is implied, but is not required; 3s/5s/5e, according to the cycle sheet, is equivalent to 3s/5e/5s, even though in reality they are very, very different. As the warning on it used to say - it won't protect you from yourself. It's your responsibility to make sure any cycles you add are realistic; all the ones Pf and I have added are.

Thanks everyone for clarifying it for me.

That's correct. It adds +2 to OH normally, and +3 with DW Spec.

So it looks like some items are being changed in the xpac. Take a look at any of the higher agi rings/necks like Prestor's, Reanimation, Godslayer, Accuria and Signet of Bronze. That's a flat out upgrade to all 5 pieces.

Finally Agi and AP on the same item. :alba:

What does Energy efficiency mean; if its >100 does it mean it cant work?

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Unfortunately, the only reason they're doing it is for hunters. We just happen to be the lucky unintended recipients of a few buffed pieces. This actually bumps Reanimation into #2 right under Unnatural Forces for raiding DPS though according to the sheets. That's a pretty massive buff to that ring.

But yea, if they can change all the current +Str crap on our T3 to +AP, we'd all be very happy.

Bumping for new version release.

Also, of fairly decent importance, the 1.10 sword spec nerf has been removed from the game, but still applies to HOJ. I tried my best to represent this correctly in the sheet.

So the swing reset timer was fixed in retail or just the test server? Also, does this devalue the HoJ?

Retail. I do not know when it was fixed, but I assume 1.12 or 1.12.1, because my only way of testing this is with HoJ and that was not fixed. Sword spec is working as it did about 1.9. Offhand swings should still reset the timer, but mainhand ones no longer do since it is instant now.

Example of current HoJ extra attack (and 1.10/1.11 sword spec) with a 2.0 speed weapon:

00:00 You hit mob
02:00 You hit mob
02:64 You can extra attack from hand of justice
02:64 You hit mob
04:64 You hit mob

As you can see, you lose some damage because of server lag which should not happen.

Current sword spec for comparison:

00:00 You hit mob
02:00 You gain extra attack from sword specialization
02:00 You hit mob
02:00 You hit mob
04:00 You hit mob


Hope this helps explain the difference.


Edit: this does not change the value of HoJ from what it has been the last several patches.

Is it Chalon's stickied thread above that has the cp cycling in it?

I remember a thread long ago about it and for the life of me can't seem to find the thread again.

And I looked through his and it doesn't seem to be the right one. =/

I think I posted initial revisions of my CP/Cycle sheet in Chalon's thread, but the most current version of it is the one integrated into Pf's spreadsheet; there are a number of enhancements and bugfixes contained within, and not much you can do with my old version you can't do in his (except for SF, but SF was never more than a very alpha implementation with a ton of flaws in it, like ignoring waste and luck).

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Found another small bug for you. On the gear buff sheet, SoE isn't being added to your total Buff STR. You stop the selection at GoA.

whoops, Its supposed to extend to 67, not 57. Accidental mistake when adding the new buffs. I'll probably wait till tomorrow to release a version with the fix as apparently I am quite good at messing up little things like this.

Hi. I'm long time lurker and finally decided to post something. I just downloaded the newest version of the spreadsheet and noticed very high numbers compared to older versions. I tested my dps with the same equipment, buffs and talent builds with the older version 2.0.1. Now I'm looking at about 100dps increase with the new spreadsheet with same items. I've triple checked everything and all the buffs, enchants etc. are same. Here's the equipment I used http://ctprofiles.net/48906 to run numbers.

And big thanks for the work you've put into this spreadsheet and all the theorycraft here. It's been huge help for me.

[edit] Of course I noticed just after posting that the lag factor was reduced to 0 and armor value was changed in the newer sheet.

The lag factor only accounts for a small amount of dps gain for sword spec. The armor value being changed is the big reason everyone is seeing a lot higher numbers with this new release.

I was going to compare the difference between AQR and Misplaced Servo Arm but it seems like i'm getting error when equipping the mace. Has nothing to do with the weapon specialization as i've changed that to Mace Spec already. Same happens when I equip it in the spreadsheet with hemorrhage talents. Using latest version