Xizenta

Go ahead and save them then because it's not a noticable difference.

 

Grunge

Has the TNB on the sheet been updated to the new proc rate?
I assume not since it's still ~50dps better than Malchazeen or the Shanker.

Fans glory to the Gladiators,
Gods glory to the Heroes.

 

Anddacin

No.

 

bredar

Prior to 2.1 patch I managed to get the gladiator fists, both MH and OH, because fist spec was the best dps spec(well that's what my conclusion came too from my research). Now with this new patch my conclusion came to that swords are now the best due to the new yellow attack and no more reset on swing timer. What I would like to know is how much more DPS with a sword spec rogue do than a fist spec rogue. Should I regrind for glad swords now that I already grinded for the glad fists that I finally got? I hope what people find won't be as bad as I think it is, I don't want to respec/regrind into swords =(.

 

songster

Pardon the silly question, but what's the best DPS if I want to use the blacksmith hammer in my main hand? I'm guessing it's still combat, but it it really worth taking sword spec just to put Latro's in my offhand? Mace spec doesn't looks very useful.

 

• Viper

Just a sanity check here.

If the base miss rate against a 73 is 25.5%, then given 5% from Precision and 10 weapon skill:

25.5 = 5 + 10*.04 + 20.1
20.1 * 15.8 (rating per hit) = 317.58 hit rating
Is this the cap with Weapon Ex and Precision? I'm basically just asking if we still believe the .04 % per skill and 25.5% miss rate numbers.

(Also doing this because the latest spreadsheet still has 24.6 for boss miss rate, thus my confusion)

 

• Aldriana

.04% hit has been disproved. Current theory is that it's .1% per skill, so the cap is 25.5 - 5 - 1 = 19.5% hit, which requires 19.5*205/13 = 307.5 hit rating to achieve.

 

Primalr

Argh... Third time I'm trying to post this.. Server keep saying Database Error. I'll bring the quick version.

Since Blacksmith Hammer(http://www.thottbot.com/i5956) is an extremely crappy weapon, your best dps with it equipped would be by using shiv from your offhand.

Jokes aside.
Mace spec gives a maximum of 10 weaponskill costing 5 talent points. Weapon skill has earlier this thread been proven to be only 0.1% hit per skill, yielding a total of 1% for 5 points macespec - if you only consider the weaponskill portion of the talent.

The stun portion is useful mainly in PvP, solo PvE and 5-man PvE. In large end-game-raiding, it's much rarer to see mobs being stunnable (although I assume - haven't tried myself - that alot of small adds and such that comes on many bosses are stunnable). That being said, the stun proc from mace spec is imo a bit too random to be of any good use anyway.

Using sword spec, and any very fast sword in your offhand will yield you alot of extra energy from combat potency, resulting in without doubt higher dps than mace-spec will allow you to do.

 

• Aldriana

Weapon skill gives +.1% hit. Is also gives some +crit, -dodge, and possibly some -parry and -block, so it's a little better than you make it out to be.

That said, Mace Spec is still pretty pathetic for pve.

 

Rethan

Is there any testing on which meta gem is going to be the better one for pve raiding?
12agi/3%crit strike dmg or the haste proc? I assume the haste will be better, but that's kind of dependent on it's procrate.

 

feanor831

So far from the initial tests it would seem that the Thundering skyfire meta gem will be one of the best meta gems for PVE and it produces the highest DPS on the sheet from all the meta gems. Another post I am currently looking for is the post by Aldriana concerning DPS on trinkets or the AP equivalent conversions made, because currently I am not 100% sure which two trinkets from Abacus/DFT/Hourglass would be best DPS and I am also not sure if they are modeled correctly in the spreadsheet.

Does anyone know how one can obtain the recipe for the thundering skyfire meta gem?

 

saedo

I believe the recipe for thundering skyfire is just a random world drop. So gotta wait for some lucky bastard to get rich off it lol


Anyways I also got a question about Romulo's Poison Vial. I was using it last night and it seemed to give me a 2.35% proc rate. I thought it was supposed to be raised to like 4-5% proc rate this patch. Anyone do some real testing on it? All I did was look at my WoW Web Stats, here's an anonymous link to myself if you wanna see: http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=bvfvq5s4nb1z1&a=26

 

• Aldriana

If I may indulge in a bit of shameless self-promotion:

The rogue gear spreadsheet I've been working on lately (Rogue Gear Spreadsheet) has a fairly detailed model of the high-end trinket itemization (DFT is missing at the moment, but the others are there). It should provide reasonably good information about which trinket will work out best for you.

The post you allude to is #1438 in this thread, though, if you want to revisit it.

 

Flatline

Has anyone made the 2.1 Gear updates to the PF spreadsheet?

 

Primalr

The added +35 hit makes it a pretty darn good trinket wheter it's 2 or 5% proc rate. (and I assume the nature dmg it deals take into account debuffs increasing spelldmg)
I'll do some procwatching on it tomorrow and report numbers back.

 

Xizenta

I used it in a raid last night and it did about 2% of my total damage.

 

Urraca

Ditto. On a positive note, it hits elementals--including Hydross.

 

saedo

Yea I'd use it regardless of proc rate. Just had my hopes a bit higher and thought this thing would supplement my damage some more. Oh well. And I assume it does take into account of debuffs, since my highest proc was a 354, the tooltip gives it a max of 332 and that's about a 6% increase. No stormstrike for us so I assume it was the Misery 5%, perhaps something else too.


Hmm, and apparently it did only 0.9% of my total damage.

 

Safid

Don't suppose, since we're on the subject of Romeo's Vial, if poison talents affect it? Maybe I'll run some tests with and without poison talents to see.

 

mih

2.2.5 http://www.savefile.com/files/746523

added
consumable: Unstable Flask of the Bandit
some items

changed
glancing blow damage reduction 40%->20%

 

Primalr

Here's something interesting I just want to say to y'all:

You can use battle elixir's AND scrolls of agility. So I suggest scrolls be added to the sheet.

 

rj

Sword spec still hasn't been changed at all in yer latest version right Mih?

 

Xizenta

I would bet against it, since the trinket hits hydross it's probably not actually considered a poison... anyone else think so?

 

mih

right

 

Jairek

That's it's pathetic or not is still up for debate. We haven't seen enough actual data to determine exactly what the effect of weapon skill is on boss mobs.

Weapon skill aside, the drakefist/dragonmaw/dragonstrike maces have a base intrinsic value in terms of dps. They all have a slow swing speed, which scales better with Windfury, and the haste effect also has an effect on Windfury / potency procs.