You may want to make a note that they give +15 skill RATING, not +15 skill. 15 skill rating = 3.8 skill.

Currently on live with 5/5 mace spec and Grips of the Deftness equipped my weapon SKILL is at 375 (+10 from mace spec, and +15 from Grips of The Deftness)

Yeah, there's a bug so that skill rating from gear displays as +skill

Does that bug happen only with maces? I was wearing them last night on live and I'm pretty sure my skill said 363 (Daggers).

I think there's a bug with the 4 piece Netherblade bonus not being added into both buffed and unbuffed dps.

4-piece Netherblade does get added. It's just not worth alot. Change the 4p NB bonus cell to something like =COUNTIF($S$10:$S$70,"Netherblade")>=5 while wearing 4-piece NB and it should show a slight drop in buffed and unbuffed dps for most cycles.

Only way to tell whether it's PPM or not is to test at weapons of different speed - your data alone isn't sufficient to say either way. The only testing I've seen with weapons of different speeds is the short test I did, and, from that, it looks like a PPM. But if someone else would like to run longer tests with weapons of varying speed to get better data, I'd be interested to see the results.

I did that and it showed absolutely no change. I check a bit and I figured out a bit more on what's happening. It's ruthlessness, I got 0 in it cause I opted for Murder. If I put 2 or 3 points in it, the Netherblade 4 piece takes affect, 0 or 1 points in it has Netherblade 4 piece having no effect. This can't be right can it?

Spent ~40 minutes auto attacking in the blasted lands testing Romulo's.

Weapons were 2x Shortsword (2.6 speed) and 2x Stiletto (1.5 speed).

Here ya go:



had to go ~5 minutes at a time so i wouldnt die. hope this helped. flat % i guess?

if you have any request of a certain way for me to test it out feel free to ask.

Looking like a % to me as well.

Nice Test Fluke! You saved me a bunch of time since I just picked it up last night and wanted to know the same thing. =) Yes, those numbers definitely support it being a fixed proc rate. Of about (70 / 2321) = 3.016%. So I'd guess a 3% fixed proc rate. That makes the vial add (332+222)/2 * 3% = 8.31 damage on average to every one of your hits.

Means if you get procs(ruth etc) you refresh SnD before it fades, IE: cut into it. I think.

So I'm playing with the latest version that got posted (2.2.5) and it shows Latros still outdamaging Quickblade. I thought a bunch of people ran the numbers and decided that was not the case?

Also I went ahead and made Dragonmaw and without changing a single talent it immediately outdamaged Vindicator's Brand in real play. Same buffs same gear same talents, I saw an immediate jump in DPS. Before patch. I picked up a Spiteblade, but was planning to just sit on it til I get my Quickblade in a week or two, then re-spec out of all sub talents I've been hanging on to for arenas. Also in hopes that I can get my hands on a Melch in the meantime=P

It show's Quickblade > Latros on my sheet ...

Try the "Gladiator's Quickblade", not the "GM Quickblade".

Because the test is on the blasted lands mobs, resist rates will be lower. The actual damage output will likely be ~83% of that or 6.89 damage per swing.

(On a side note, does Misery affect the proc damage?)

New Master Poisoner tooltip reads 5% reduced resistance per point instead of 2...why did I not know about this?

Thus:

20% proc poison

lvl 70 target
1000 hits -> 200 procs - 4% resist rate = 196 poisons (assuming a 2-roll system and full resist only)

resists are low enough against lvl 70 mobs to make this essentially worthless. Let's look at lvl 73 boss mobs:


lvl 73 target
1000 hits - > 200 procs - 17% resist rate = 166 poisons (effective loss of 3.4% proc rate)
+ master poisoner
1000 hits -> 200 procs - 7% resist rate = 186 poisons (effective loss of 1.4% proc rate)

24% poison proc (2 points of vile poisons)

lvl 73
1000 hits -> 240 procs - 17% resist = 199.2 poisons (effective loss of 4.08% proc rate)
+ master poisoner
1000 hits -> 240 procs -7% resist = 223.2 poisons (effective loss of 1.7% proc rate)

30% poison proc (full vile poisons)
1000 hits -> 300 procs - 17% resist = 249 poisons (loss of 5.1% proc rate)
+ master poisoner
1000 hits -> 300 procs - 7% resist = 279 poisons (loss of 2.1% proc rate)

Thus, at 5/5 vile poisons, master poisoner is worth 3% "hit" with poisons. Added onto that value is the fact that deadly poison can be resisted twice, both on application (less of an issue once you're at 5 stacks) and on hit. Thus master poisoner boosts your deadly poison damage by 10% once you're at 5 stacks.

I'm not sure if this makes 2/2 master poisoner better than 2 points in imp or vile poisons (have to run that later), but my gut feeling tells me it makes it competative on bosses.

I'm nearly positive based on the ass owning that Myrx gave me yesterday on the rogue forums that those numbers were proven incorrect, so no, it shouldn't be checked.

So without checking it, then we are looking at a value that does not account for ~15% inc in the dps caused by less glancing after 2.1 (rather, 25% glancing versus 40% glancing pre-2.1)? I've tried to follow the thread as much as possible, but sometimes I second guess myself.

It's updated, like Tillstaff said. And with Spiteblade main Latro's is still showing ~9dps better.

I just remember a few pages back when the arena OH changes were announced most of the mathemagicians here worked out that it would finally be superior to Latro's, even if by a minor margin.

Sorry if this is a question that was asked often, I've tried doing a thread search and scanned the last 5ish pages.

How do you modify current gear for the new stats? I'm using Office 07 so I can't really follow the instructions that the spreadsheet into indicates for adding a new item. Bit of a noob with the new suite.

Secondly, any one have any versions of this spreadsheet with 2.1 item changes in?

Thanks

Only 2 pages ago :S

I'm using malch and dirge atm. If i input spiteblade+latro's i get about 25dps more. Is that correct? 2 weapons with lower dps doing more damage than the 2 daggers? Could this be because of the recent change to sword spec(dunno if that's included in my version 2.2.4l)?