Kill order in SSC ?

Thanks kindly!

I think the spreadsheet assumes 5x Sunder Armor, fairie fire, and CoR

But no warlocks do it, or druids keepint it up (except feral ones)

my actuall dps are aprox. the same with what the spreadsheet says, once I input the right amount of armor ( i use 73% typically)

Kick = 110 damage, armor reduction should be actual kick damage/ 110

Just running some quick numbers, there seems to be quite a large difference between swords and daggers with WF.

I have a 2.6 speed sword with around +50% haste (SnD + Dragonspine etc), giving 0.83 MH attacks per second. With an SS every 3.3 seconds, the WF proc rate is increased by 52%.

For a combat daggers build with a 1.8 speed MH and (I am guessing) one BS every 5 seconds, the WF proc rate is increased by only 24%. In this scenario, the sword build gets +23% WF effectiveness.

The other problem is that dagger rogues lose more dps from their MH poison.

how to change values in openoffice? i think the value for the thundering skyfire diamond is wrong, there are 48 haste rating denoted. with 1PPM the gem should have 24 haste rating.

Unhide the sheet with the data for gems, it'll likely be called Gems.
Also, it's 1 PPM, but with a slice n' dice cycle and instant attacks, dragonspine trophy etc. It will proc more than once a minute. 48 is probably closer than 24.

There are not many better fights for comparing sustained dps as a rogue. Almost every fight in BC has adds or movement mechanics or phases.

Maiden is somewhat sustained aswell, although its very ery content and its a short fight.

Since it has a hidden cooldown of at least 35 secs and more likely 40, it is still not a haste add of 48 either though.

My calculations indicate it probably sustains something like 11% uptime in sustained situations - which would make 24 a pretty good estimate on the whole (26 would probably be a bit closer, but as a ballpark figure...)

i don't understand what you mean with "unhide the sheet with the data for gems" - where is this option?

and no, the gem has about 1PPM - it's not a proc with a xx% chance to proc like combat potency. the effect occurs approximately once per minute, regardless of the hits you do in this time.

for example:
100 hits per minute will give you a 0,6% chance to proc, so every hit has 0,6% chance to activate the gem.

50 hits per minute will give you a 1,2% chance to proc, so every hit has 1,2% chance to activate the gem.

correct me if i'm wrong. ^^

I just noticed that Badge of the Swarmguard is not one of the trinket choices. Is this because it has been determined that this trinket is not a contender for sustained boss encounters? Or is it too difficult to model without knowing the target's armor? Or something else...?

yeah, my example was wrong but a % chance to proc based on the weapon speed has the same result (with autoattack only).

with a 1.3 weapon the proc chance is ~1,3%. with a 2,6 weapon it's a ~2,6% chance, right?
as soon as i receive the gem i will run some tests but an average haste rating of ~24-28 should be correct.
with 26 average haste rating the results should be very close to be accurate.

well, how to chance the value in the spreadsheet with openoffice? i can't find any option *shrug* -.-

I don't belive it to be competitive at this stage of the game - it's sort of like Icon of Unyielding Courage without the passive 30 hit - aka, not that interesting.

However, I think it would also be hard for this sheet to model.

oops, never mind (edited)

Badge of the Swarmguard was modelled before BC hit but was removed in the process of updating the sheet.

I wish I would have taken a screenshot, but I got two procs on two turtles about 10 seconds from eachother. Maybe the "hidden cooldown" resets when you drop combat and engage a new target?

Hey guys,

Amazing discussion regarding the +skill and hit cap back there.. Now I need to get my +hit to 309.. damn!

I was just curious if you guys ever came up with a conclusion on how +skill affects crit% and how it reduces your chance to get dodged/parried/blocked, as I was trying to measure the reliability of Mace Spec in a PvE environment :P

Thanks

In other words, you will not be at the hit cap (@308 hit rating) without Weapon Expertise, or in your case - Mace spec.

Does anyone know if the modeling for the pre2.1 sword spec included the MH swing timer reset? If it didn't, i'd imagine that modeling the new sword spec would be as easy as changing the glancing on sword spec hits to 0 and the miss chance the lower percentage that specials have, no?

Going by the information provided by blues on the WoW forums, (yes, I know they've had a tendency to be fairly inaccurate when talking about weapon skill) against targets above your level, you gain .14% crit per point (.04% which is visible on your char sheet and affects same lvl targets as well, and an additional .1% per point vs targets above your level (per blue post)) making 2/2 WEx or 5/5 mace spec worth 1% hit, 1.4% crit vs +lvl targets. I don't believe there is any concrete data regarding the effect on mob dodge rates, and parry/block aren't really a concern for rogues since we do it from behind. :p

Actually, the blue post says '.1% of critical strike rating'. Depending on how you take it, and I've always interpreted it one way, this can mean your total critical strike rating (take your character screen crit, convert it to critical strike rating, take .1% of that per point of weapon skill, add that to your weapon), or the way that some people want to take it, as '.1% crit' -- something it doesn't say. It's really hard to guess, though, since we can only parse and no one has fledged out what weapon skill itself does more fully.