Swordspec is pretty obviously best by a wide margin - it's completely free of the somewhat diminishing returns that raw crit ends up eating(the better your gear, the less benefit you get from dagger or fist spec) and can proc Windfury(which is rather important - I wish I had the fun screenshot Zerix showed me yesterday of him getting 5 attacks out of one swing) and poisons.

The relative value of weapon specs is breaking down at the high-end in my eyes. I don't care how awesome swordspec is, I should not be able to outdps a Rod of the Sun King/Swiftsteel Bludgeon combo with a pair of S2 swords.

While I agree with your point (that weapon specs need to be balanced a little better and fist/daggers given a little love), I disagree with your example. S2 swords are T5-equivalent, except of course, for the lack of T5 offhand sword. Mace spec has some non-highend PvE utility, so with roughly equal weapons, mace spec should not be equal damage to sword spec.

That all being said, the current imbalance between combat daggers and combat swords is pretty silly. Daggers gives up quite a bit, and realistically should have higher end DPS than combat swords to make up for positional requirements. Would adding a 1% damage with the weapon to Dagger/Fist specs rebalance them?

When using the spreadsheet are you supposed to enable "New Blue Post on +skill"?

Are Grips of Deftness better then Tier5 Gloves(no set bonuses included) for sword spec?

I can say that it (seems) higher than 1.1 ppm. It could be because I'm raiding with mutilate but I can't say for sure. I could go poke some mobs in the blasted lands if anyone's interested in actual data. (Also I can confirm that there is no internal cooldown since I've seen it refreshing itself).

No. Ignore it.

This is expected, the guy who quoted 1.1 PPM used autoattacks in Blasted Lands with Dragonspine Trophy and Thundering gem procs. With Mutilate I could see it going a fair bit higher. Would it be possible for you to track this over the course of a raid using Procwatch?

With a 1.1 PPM it gives me 21 DPS.
With a 1.5 PPM it gives me 29 DPS.
With a 2.0 PPM it gives me 38 DPS.

/drool

Yeah, im also currently combat mutilate, and this set bonus has some real potential. But unfortunately no-one really seems to have hard numbers for it :<

The "fix" above is not correct.

OpenOffice dislikes constructing ranges like 'C202:INDIRECT() '

Correkt way to do it in OpenOffice (maybe in Excel as well; I dont have it) s is using the OFFSET function.
e.g for cell C213 in the unbuffed/buffed cycle sheet:
=AVERAGE(OFFSET(C202:C211;0;0;B213;1))

OFFSET returns a reference to a shifted and resized range.
OFFSET( original range; shift rows; shift cols; #rows; #cols)

P.S: I am not happy with the ever increasing features in that sheet that are Excel only. Some of those I can ignore.
But i fear there might be a version I cant use anymore with OpenOffice

Have there been any comments from Blizzard re: weapon specs lately? Having recently respecced to Combat Daggers from Combat Mutilate due to the guild starting to raid SSC, I am seriously disappointed with Combat Daggers performance compared to both Mutilate and Combat Swords. I don't think I have gained enough raw dps to make up for the lack of utility outside tank and spank boss fights when comparing to my old build, and Combat Swords seem to me to have both substantially better utility, more flexibility about positioning and better dps. Frankly I'm starting to wonder if even loot distribution is good enough reason to stick with daggers (4/6 rogues in the guild are swords and us remaining two are daggers, for now but I don't know how long).

http://rogue.raidcal.com/
Updatet to Version 2.3.0c

Some updates and I hope Mutilate works now in Open Office.

Also, I hope the next update takes a bit longer

Grammar police aside, the only way to prevent having to re-enter your old values every time, would be for the sheet to move to a website interface. If that were done it could be given a saving mechanism much like wowhead uses.
Ofcourse it'll hinder the updates and tinkering that currently goes on, but it's an option anyway.

Actually... now that i think about it, the spreadsheed might be able to use a binary export / import sting in such a manner. Not sure if xls can parse strings like that though....

You appear to have dropped Pristine Fire Opal.

- never mind - gems just got moved around and I was copying the gear_buffs from 2.3a

*edit again*

I see the gem on the socket sheet, but I am unable to select it in the gear_buffs.

There's really nothing to solve... the old method was no longer accurate and the new method only works in Excel. Unless someone plans on making them compatible, it will probably stay that way.

Uploaded a new Version 2.3.0c with a Gem fix. Now all able to select

Please update the stats on the Vambraces of Ending.

22 Agi ---> 24 Agi
21 Sta ---> 24 Sta
46 AP ---> 52 AP

Alright I believe I've found a bug.

I've already searched through this thread for this issue and found nothing. It involves the Deathmantle 2 piece bonus. The set bonus seems to do absolutely nothing to my damage. I unchecked the "allow rupture" box and set my spec to include imp evis, and still nothing. I did some experimenting, and realizing that TRUE = 1 and FALSE = 0 obviously, I decided to add to the dm2pc cell. My buffed dps would not budge until I reached the number 14, making the set bonus add (14*40), a total of 560 base damage per combo point to my eviscerates. At this point, when i increased the dm2pc cell value from 13 to 14, my buffed dps jumped up by 115.

I assume that theres some kind of print out error with the buffed dps on the main page, or something along those lines. Although I cant say for certain if 560 base damage per combo point =~ 115dps gain, but the spreadsheet IS calculating it on some level. I usually wouldn't care about this, but I'm on the edge of making temporary gear decisions between Deathmantle / Netherblade depending on the set bonuses. I've always assumed that the DM 2 piece was just bad, but a lot of that was because it never seemed to increase my dps on the spreadsheet, but today I was surprised to find out that I may have been mistaken.

I'm a fairly strong believer in rupture > evis, but I'd like to be proven wrong so I don't feel so bad loosing my t4 2 piece.

**On a side note, the Deathmantle 2 piece correctly changes my unbuffed dps when the value moves from 0 to 1, unfortunatly it lowers my dps by 10 lol... It changed my cycle in this case from 5s/5e to 4s/5e which i blame for the dps loss, but I dont see how a damage bonus on eviscerate would change my cycle to begin with. Anyway, My unbuffed dps behaves similarly to my buffed dps, but my dps jumps up around 60 when the dm2pc cell reaches 9. If it has any relevance, I noticed that on the last version of the spreadsheet, my buffed dps jumped up when the dm2pc cell reached 7.

i have found a bug.

if i put poisons and select force shiv i had a buffed (not to many, buff but is not important) dps of = 906,90

if i remove poisons from the two weapons and select shiv my dps buffed dps go to: 912,90

if i leave deadly main hand e remove only the istant from the off hand i go to: 970,64

i'm currently dagger combat specced.
i was looking at it to understand if it's better for me to have my main hand in the bags for farming or if the shiv damage is reasonable

my first time to use the spreadsheet, pardon me if this has been asked before but in the "optimum cp usage" what does "snd cut" mean? like 1s/5r snd cut. thanks in advance,

From what I understand, it means SnD at 1 cp, rupture at 5, then SnD at 1. The cut works in because by the time you'd be using SnD again, it still has some time left on it, so you cut it short.

It only works with 2 Piece Tier 4 because of the amount of time your SND lasts. Prolly only works with Swords/maces/fists due to the amount of energy used to get 5 combo points is less than Combat Daggers.

It allows you to keep Rupture and SND up 24-7.

That is correct. I am currently running 3s/3r with daggers and enjoy it very much so.

I am partial to my dragonstrike, but also have access to a talon if it does drop. Would there be at some point that the haste proc would outweigh sword spec through sheer speed and combat potency procs? trying to test them out but my only real time comparison i have is the s1 sword. Its difficult because sword spec potentially scales as well but haste scales better for a multitude of things. feels like a waste of nether vortices sometimes though.

The whole daggers have to be behind the target crap gets thrown out the window, when you realize any other pve weapon spec does too, to be able to maximize dps. I've been swords forever and all the difference is in a pve setting is the amount of energy used and the ability used. Please stop jumping to this bad rationale.