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Old 03/11/07, 5:24 AM   #176
Saigone
Von Kaiser
 
Human Priest
 
Hellscream (EU)
With the last patch, silent resolve stopped applying its threat reduction to shadow spells (20% rless threat fully talented). Ive not yet seen any evidence as to whether or not it gets applied to either the heals from VE or the mana being given back from VT.

Does anyone have any idea what the deal is with this?

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Old 03/14/07, 12:28 PM   #177
Papajan
Piston Honda
 
Gnome Mage
 
Lightbringer
Does anyone know how spell reflect works with threat? Is the threat of the reflected spell assigned to the caster (same as no threat) or the reflector?

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Old 03/14/07, 12:51 PM   #178
Zacara
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Originally Posted by Papajan View Post
Does anyone know how spell reflect works with threat? Is the threat of the reflected spell assigned to the caster (same as no threat) or the reflector?
It used to generate 0 threat, much like the damage wasn't accounted to the warrior and thereby gave an exp penalty while using it.

I haven't seen any tests done lately though. Would definitely increase the so far limited use of the ability if it actually boosted threat as well.

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Old 03/14/07, 5:23 PM   #179
Sumill
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Arygos
It would be nice if it did generate agro. It might make up for some of the GCD babysitting you have to do in order to make reflect work. Of course, not eating GCD would be ok too.

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Old 03/14/07, 5:33 PM   #180
Goreshot
Piston Honda
 
Orc Hunter
 
Eonar
Did a quick search, but didn't find any answers - more specifically, does anyone know if the "reflected" damage from the Paladin talent "Eye for an Eye" generates threat for the Paladin?

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Old 03/14/07, 5:56 PM   #181
Kincaid
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Human Warrior
 
Earthen Ring
Spells cast by mobs don't crit, so Eye for an Eye should never actually proc.

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Old 03/14/07, 7:43 PM   #182
Goreshot
Piston Honda
 
Orc Hunter
 
Eonar
Very good point. =P Completely forgot about that. /sigh

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Old 03/19/07, 12:33 PM   #183
Zerchi
Von Kaiser
 
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Human Death Knight
 
Cenarius
Originally Posted by Saigone View Post
With the last patch, silent resolve stopped applying its threat reduction to shadow spells (20% rless threat fully talented). Ive not yet seen any evidence as to whether or not it gets applied to either the heals from VE or the mana being given back from VT.

Does anyone have any idea what the deal is with this?
I'd be interested in this too. In theory, it "should" since both VT and VE are Shadow spells but it seems like something may be up with VE. According to everything here, overhealing shouldn't generate threat but the ticks on fully healthy targets would still generate a small amount of "buff" threat.

But I've noticed that if one of our Shadow Priests kicks off VE at the start of a fight when everyone is full health (for example on Gruul before the first Shatter) that their threat, as tracked by KTM, is really high compared to the other SP's even if the others are doing higher damage.

So is the minor "buff" threat just stacking up that quickly because of the number of ticks involved (thanks to two dots and mindflay going all the time)? Or is something else at work here?

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Old 03/19/07, 8:27 PM   #184
RK
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Tauren Shaman
 
Shu'halo
Has any testing been done as to the announced threat change to Lightning Overload? I know it will be a bitch to test, even broadly (why Blizzard couldn't have quantified the change for us I don't know), so I'm not holding my breath.

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Old 03/23/07, 11:18 PM   #185
Boevis
Bald Bull
 
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Tauren Druid
 
Lightbringer
Not that it would be considered in any normal rotation, but has anyone considered the innate threat of hamstring?

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Aggro

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Old 03/26/07, 5:17 PM   #186
Ezareth
Don Flamenco
 
Goblin Mage
 
Tichondrius
Has anyone confirmed the amount of threat reduced by Lightning Overload?

Does anyone know if Tranquil Air + Blessing of Salvation stack fully? I am seeing evidence that they do not.

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Old 03/27/07, 12:27 AM   #187
RK
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Tauren Shaman
 
Shu'halo
Originally Posted by Ezareth View Post
Has anyone confirmed the amount of threat reduced by Lightning Overload?
I investigated a bit following my post above. Thottbot has an entry for Lightning Overload which indicates a secret buff with 2 charges for 50% threat (presumably applied to the triggering bolt and the overload bolt). That seems consistent with what I'm seeing on the few occasions since I changed to 41-0-20 that overload proc'd early in a pull, but actively testing something with a 5% proc is a gigantic pain in the ass. It might be more productive to seek an answer on the official Blizzard boards (especially the EU boards, if an EU shaman would like to try their luck).

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Old 03/27/07, 9:48 AM   #188
beesknees
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Kargath
Does damage absorbed by PW:S count towards healing aggro?

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Old 03/27/07, 10:40 AM   #189
 Shalas
Bald Bull
 
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Tauren Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by beesknees View Post
Does damage absorbed by PW:S count towards healing aggro?
PW:S generates half as much threat as a heal of the same size when initially cast. What happens after that has no effect.

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Old 03/27/07, 1:05 PM   #190
Hozz
Don Flamenco
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Suramar
Regarding the KTM threatmeter mod, does it take into account the threat/subtlety enchants (from AQ40) if you have them?

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Old 03/27/07, 7:04 PM   #191
Whiteknight
Bald Bull
 
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by Hozz View Post
Regarding the KTM threatmeter mod, does it take into account the threat/subtlety enchants (from AQ40) if you have them?
yep.

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Old 03/29/07, 1:30 PM   #192
Ezareth
Don Flamenco
 
Goblin Mage
 
Tichondrius
Originally Posted by RK View Post
I investigated a bit following my post above. Thottbot has an entry for Lightning Overload which indicates a secret buff with 2 charges for 50% threat (presumably applied to the triggering bolt and the overload bolt). That seems consistent with what I'm seeing on the few occasions since I changed to 41-0-20 that overload proc'd early in a pull, but actively testing something with a 5% proc is a gigantic pain in the ass. It might be more productive to seek an answer on the official Blizzard boards (especially the EU boards, if an EU shaman would like to try their luck).
Thanks, yeah I'm aware of the thottbot entry I just am not sure if it gives you 50% of threat by both charges or 50% of threat by the second charge only.

I just figured the makers of KTM would put it into the meter somehow because I notice my LO procs aren't getting any reduction and noone seems to have verified it for certain yet.

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Old 04/06/07, 10:30 AM   #193
Tifi
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Draenei Priest
 
Anetheron (EU)
Originally Posted by Whiteknight View Post
The Silent Resolve talent gives a 0.8 multiplier to threat from spells. Shadow Affinity multiplies threat from shadow spells by 0.75. For example, with Silent Resolve and Shadow Affinity and Blessing of Salvation, your threat from shadow spells is 0.8 * 0.7 * 0.75 = 42% of normal.
According to the tooltip, Silent Resolve applies to Holy and Discipline spells only. If the tooltip happens to be incorrect, could you add this to the first post?

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Old 04/06/07, 11:05 AM   #194
dB(A)
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Genjuros (EU)
Originally Posted by Tifi View Post
According to the tooltip, Silent Resolve applies to Holy and Discipline spells only. If the tooltip happens to be incorrect, could you add this to the first post?
The tooltip is in fact correct. Silent resolve used to account for shadow threat as well, however this is no longer the case. From the 2.0.10 patchnotes:
- "Silent Resolve" no longer reduces threat generated by Shadow spells.
Furthermore, from those same patchnotes:
- The effectiveness of "Fade:Rank 7" has been increased by approximately 25%.
Hence the temporary 'threatdump' value stated in the first post might be incorrect for rank 7.

Last edited by dB(A) : 04/06/07 at 11:10 AM. Reason: Added fade value into the post

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Old 04/15/07, 3:16 PM   #195
 Oggie
Disharmonious
 
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Lightbringer
There were quite a few modifications to data entries which gave improper threat numbers in 2.1.

Did it take them all to 1:1?

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Old 05/23/07, 6:38 PM   #196
Lavina
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warrior
 
The Venture Co (EU)
Revenge threat at 2.1.0 lies between 196 and 202. following Blizzards reasoning, the true value is likekly 201, since Sunder and Devastate are valued respectively 301 and 101.

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....003203&sid=1#0 for details.

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Old 05/23/07, 11:30 PM   #197
Plea
Don Flamenco
 
Undead Mage
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
Then it looks like revenge took a small nerf for raids, and somewhat more of a nerf against targets that you wouldnt sunder right away. Can't say it's an amazing change to our very dps.

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Old 05/25/07, 2:53 AM   #198
MasterDinadan
Piston Honda
 
Human Rogue
 
Staghelm
I heard somewhere that threat caused by Instant Poison damage (and possibly other rogue poisons as well) isn't passively reduced like other rogue damage is. Does anyone know if this is actually the case?

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Old 05/25/07, 2:57 AM   #199
Vohbo
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Aggramar (EU)
Reflected spells generate threat yes, but I cannot say what modifiers apply to it.
Tested it in shadow labs heroic on the pulls before the warlock boss. I did nothing but spam spell reflect to hold aggro on the casters here and they were glued to me despite considerable healing and nuking.
It's convenient that you can see the amount of reflected damage now.

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Old 05/25/07, 11:39 AM   #200
Apate
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ChickenArise
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Originally Posted by Vohbo View Post
Reflected spells generate threat yes, but I cannot say what modifiers apply to it.
Tested it in shadow labs heroic on the pulls before the warlock boss. I did nothing but spam spell reflect to hold aggro on the casters here and they were glued to me despite considerable healing and nuking.
It's convenient that you can see the amount of reflected damage now.
I'd love to see some testing done on Spell Reflect aggro if anyone is up for it.

Regarding the damage being shown...SCT has always shown me what the damage was, if it was a spell capable of reflecting damage.

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