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Old 02/16/07, 12:00 PM   #1201
alienangel
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Draenei Hunter
 
Eredar
Originally Posted by Bogart
Originally Posted by Kaiten
Well, first of all they should fix the proc so it actually works before nerfing it ;) Currently it seems to proc when YOU are hit by ranged attack, not as it's described at the item pan :)

I might be wrong ofcourse, but didn't proc once for over an hour of grind for me.

Edit. But it did procced from the attacks of orc gunners in the Shattered Halls.
Wow. Well, it was stated when the trinket was released that Blizzard has a sense of humour, and it hasn't failed them. :) I suppose nothing has been lost, so we can't be too concerned.
The wording on the item seems to go out of its way to distinguish between the ways in which the ranged and melee procs work: "Sometimes heals bearer of 90 to 120 damage when damaging an enemy in melee and chance on ranged hit to restore 128 to 172 mana to the bearer." The ranged one is neatly ambiguous enough to allow the current behaviour to be the intended behaviour, so I'm not too confident they'll change it. I'm pretty sure if the 15% proc rate people were throwing around were true, the trinket would be ridiculously overpowered for hunters (and no one else :D) if it procced when dealing ranged damage, so they most likely can't put it into the game like that.

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Old 02/16/07, 12:12 PM   #1202
Rius
Von Kaiser
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
<NI>
Detheroc
In it's original form, the trinket can be used by hunters but is essentially useless to them (apart from the +AP), much like Thunderfury.

In it's new, currently working form, the trinket gains marginal, extremely situational value for hunters and druids in certain forms (rogues and warriors not having mana to be restored at all).

In the new form that we all wish was actually so, the trinket would finally be usable for all the classes that can equip it, so that's what I'm going to assume Blizzard meant to make it =)

I'd use it even if the mana return portion only had a 5% procrate.

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Old 02/16/07, 1:22 PM   #1203
Glaurong
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Hyjal
Or it could just be a paladin pvp trinket and they "forgot" to put the class label on it.

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Old 02/16/07, 2:42 PM   #1204
alienangel
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Eredar
Originally Posted by Glaurong
Or it could just be a paladin pvp trinket and they "forgot" to put the class label on it.
Paladins deal/receive ranged damage often? Because the melee portion is for health, not mana.

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Old 02/16/07, 3:22 PM   #1205
Xardion
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Crushridge
Originally Posted by Glaurong
Or it could just be a paladin pvp trinket and they "forgot" to put the class label on it.
Paladins share their pvp trinket with shamans, which has a very similar effect of mana regen on spell hit instead of ranged hit if I remember correctly.

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Old 02/16/07, 10:42 PM   #1206
Lodi
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Draenor
Anybody have a mod to calculate the time difference between the previous two auto shots (or maybe a rolling avg over more?) - bonus points if the amount of time delayed by previous cast steady/arcane/whatever is reported. Obviously easy to code, but I'm lazy.

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Old 02/16/07, 11:11 PM   #1207
Abi
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Abigor
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Originally Posted by Mikari
Just wondering. Has any hunter managed to find upgrades for T3 at all? I only have T3 gloves and bracer and am still wearing them at 70.
I'm still wearing DS hat/bracers/gloves for the 3pc bonus when I can stay in hawk - QQ TT and so forth. Going to get the second sight hat and ebondrakescalewhatever bracers soonish hopefully, though leveling LW sucks so much. I even tried that Gurgthock trick with the free riding crop combines and whatnot, did bugger all on my server.

Edit: Oh, anyone feel like doing a huge summation of this thread? :]
Or atleast cliff notes on gems/enchants/etc? Just picked up a sonic spear, wondering whether to get +35agi or +70AP.

(Yes, I do plan on playing catchup. 10/43/8 btw)

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Old 02/16/07, 11:56 PM   #1208
Sienna
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Go for revered Honor Hold spear, a lot more AP on that, unless you need the stamina from Sonic Spear.

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Old 02/17/07, 12:01 AM   #1209
Abi
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That is a good point, though it has less agility as well. I see my crit dropping with every upgrade I get, it's pretty depressing.

Probably going to use the sonic spear and various other stamina-rich pieces when I need that.

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Old 02/17/07, 12:24 PM   #1210
Sienna
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Yeah it has less agility but eventually more dps due to AP. I got 19.92% crit and 2146 AP unbuffed now. I think it's a fair trade of crit for that much AP.

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Old 02/17/07, 6:23 PM   #1211
Lozzleskotch
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Smolderthorn
1833 AP, 17.59% crit unbuffed, marks spec. Lactose's spreadsheet is showing a .22% dps increase for me going from Sonic Spear to the Honor Hold/Thrallmar revered polearm. To me that's a marginal gain for a 30 stamina loss.

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Old 02/17/07, 8:44 PM   #1212
Lactose
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Talnivarr (EU)
Originally Posted by Lozzleskotch
1833 AP, 17.59% crit unbuffed, marks spec. Lactose's spreadsheet is showing a .22% dps increase for me going from Sonic Spear to the Honor Hold/Thrallmar revered polearm. To me that's a marginal gain for a 30 stamina loss.
Keep in mind there's still stuff that needs to be added to that and stuff that needs tweaking, I wouldn't trust my soul in whatever it spits out at you.

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Old 02/17/07, 9:44 PM   #1213
Lozzleskotch
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Smolderthorn
Ok then, put it this way:

9 agi
30 sta
5 hit

vs

30 AP

I'd value the stamina alone over the AP, so, I don't need your steenkin spreadsheet =p

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Old 02/18/07, 12:41 AM   #1214
Goreshot
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Originally Posted by Surion
I cant think of a better place to ask but here:
Also I am told hunter pets dont chain lightening on Maiden/Curator adds. The hunter who told me that said that they cant be hit by Maidens DoT when I told him to pull his hunter out of range of it. I find this funny because I know for a fact Julianne will cast her nukes and stuns on our warlocks Felhunter.

If anyone can elaborate please, it is very much appreciated.
I only tested this prior to 2.0.7, but my pet did indeed chain the lightning from the Curator adds. Even if the hunter just puts his pet on passive and keeps it in the other room, the adds have RST so there's a chance they will make a beeline straight for the pet, making it a big no-no to have out during the fight. My pet also took damage from the Maiden's AOE, and died about four Repentence's into the fight. Not sure about Romulo&Julianne - we got the Wizard of Oz this week. I'm going to test whether or not my pet can be the perma-nuke target for Julianne by telling the other melee classes to stay at maximum melee range.

Netherspite, on the other hand, is my pet's bitch. Hunter pets are immune to Netherspite's Shadow AOE, and take no damage from the void zones. I'm pretty sure they still take damage from the arcane blasts, however.

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Old 02/18/07, 7:50 AM   #1215
Zurai
Bald Bull
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Whisperwind
I used my pet on Curator just fine the other week. Maiden is the one boss I've fought in Karazhan that's pet unfriendly.

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Old 02/18/07, 11:41 AM   #1216
Sienna
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Ravencrest (EU)
If the boss is not pet friendly I put the pet on passive and click the lightning breath button only, he goes, shoots and comes back. It's a pain in the ass and I wish there was an addon which does that automatically. Anyone know any?

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Old 02/18/07, 12:58 PM   #1217
 selece
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Wearing:
Beast Lord -> Helm, Gloves, BP.
CS -> Everything else.
Sonic Spear (+70AP)
Abacus of Violent Odds
Core of Ark'elos (spelling?)
Cloak of Malice (+12AGI)
Choker of Bloodied Feathers
Melmorta's Bow

In bags -> CS Helm, Gloves.

I use that setup when I don't need the 6pc CS for mana regen. I can get about 21xx RAP with AotH/TSA/4pc CS active, no outside buffs. Overall hit rating is at about 91 (5.xx%), and sitting in the low-mid 7k HP range unbuffed. Spec is 7/x/9 (Hawk Eye + full Slayings).

I've found that that pets are really only difficult to use on Prince, and Maiden. Everyone else has been -okay-, although random AOEs tend to take them out fairly quickly if you don't watch it. I don't know if pets can catch Netherspite's beams, but I've been careful thus far to avoid that happening. As far as R&J go, Romulo has an amazing backcleave that hits rogues for about 4k, so pets will get finished pretty quickly. Juilanne doesn't do anything special unless she targets your pet though.

Stamina is a good thing I find - esp. on Heroics where a stray hit is sometimes death, or on a boss like Aran with a nice happy 7.5k blastwave. If I -really- need the STA, I can put on the rest of my CS, which bumps me up another 200-300 HP.

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Old 02/18/07, 2:35 PM   #1218
Sienna
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Ravencrest (EU)
Pet are easily used on prince, just back them off before shadow nova imho. I used my pet nonstop yesterday on prince, he died only once and I ressed him.

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Old 02/18/07, 2:36 PM   #1219
Glaurong
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Hyjal
Originally Posted by Sienna
If the boss is not pet friendly I put the pet on passive and click the lightning breath button only, he goes, shoots and comes back. It's a pain in the ass and I wish there was an addon which does that automatically. Anyone know any?
You can do a cast for yourself and for your pet in the same macro. You should be able to make one that does a steady shot and lightning breath, won't be optimal timing but it will work.

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Old 02/18/07, 2:50 PM   #1220
Zurai
Bald Bull
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by Sienna
Pet are easily used on prince, just back them off before shadow nova imho. I used my pet nonstop yesterday on prince, he died only once and I ressed him.
Yeah, the only time I ever lose my pet on prince is if there's an unlucky infernal + nova combo. Like I said, Maiden is the only really unfriendly encounter petwise (though note I havn't fought Nightbane, so I can't comment on him).

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Old 02/19/07, 11:09 AM   #1221
Fendryl
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Malfurion
Originally Posted by Goreshot View Post
Not sure about Romulo&Julianne - we got the Wizard of Oz this week. I'm going to test whether or not my pet can be the perma-nuke target for Julianne by telling the other melee classes to stay at maximum melee range.
Pets work very well on R&J to absorb her Powerful Attraction, your melee can stay back further & still fight her and the pet will eat all the stuns; only problem I've had is when our healers are ignoring pet health & let the pet die because it got hit with two Blinding Passions.

How about pets on Aran? We've always just not used pets because of the fear that they'd trigger a Wreath explosion.

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Old 02/19/07, 11:23 AM   #1222
Ghstmarauder
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Troll Hunter
 
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Arthas
Originally Posted by Fendryl View Post
Pets work very well on R&J to absorb her Powerful Attraction, your melee can stay back further & still fight her and the pet will eat all the stuns; only problem I've had is when our healers are ignoring pet health & let the pet die because it got hit with two Blinding Passions.

How about pets on Aran? We've always just not used pets because of the fear that they'd trigger a Wreath explosion.

Also work well on the R&J fight is the Snake Trap, you place one right on Julianne. She will target the snakes and apply Blinding Passions to it, so it takes a little bit of mana strain of the healers trying to heal that up.

On Aran, as much as you can probably keep the pet up and doing damage(i'm BM), it probably isn't a good idea to keep out, one small mistake and you end up eating a flame wreath. Like my pet getting shackled(priests don't pay attention to pet debuffs) during a blizzard, i'd move and the pet would stand there and then flame wreath would occur and once the shackle breaks, my pet would come back to me and kill us.

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Old 02/19/07, 11:33 AM   #1223
Sienna
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Detailed Combat Log

Is there a way to make the combat log give the timestamps in miliseconds or is there another addon for that? If there is which one do you recommend?

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Old 02/19/07, 1:02 PM   #1224
Glaurong
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Goblin Hunter
 
Hyjal
Originally Posted by Sienna View Post
Is there a way to make the combat log give the timestamps in miliseconds or is there another addon for that? If there is which one do you recommend?
Mine always has by just doing a /combatlog. Or do you mean in game? That I'm not sure about, the people in the UI forum would probably have a better idea if that kind of resolution is possible with LUA.

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Old 02/19/07, 2:26 PM   #1225
Zurai
Bald Bull
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by Ghstmarauder View Post
On Aran, as much as you can probably keep the pet up and doing damage(i'm BM), it probably isn't a good idea to keep out, one small mistake and you end up eating a flame wreath. Like my pet getting shackled(priests don't pay attention to pet debuffs) during a blizzard, i'd move and the pet would stand there and then flame wreath would occur and once the shackle breaks, my pet would come back to me and kill us.
Time to learn the awesomeness that is control-3, AKA Stay. Just sic your pet on Aran at the start of the fight and whenever he starts casting Flame Wreath, tell your pet to Stay; it'll stop attacking, but it won't budge until you tell it to attack again once Wreath wears off.

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