Didn't you just include RAP scaling in your aimed shot calcs? He just reported the top rank no longer does so.

Edit - I understand now.

Aimed Shot scales with RAP... it's just normalized to 2.80 speed. 2.80 / 14 = 0.20. Weapon Damage in my calculations meant the actual damage from the weapon itself (plus the ammo).

Just noticed tonight, our pet frame has changed a little, bit more information about how their stats affect things.

Unfortunately for our pets their crit gains from agility are far outpaced by the agi->crit curve

69 Windserpent - 125 agi -> 3.94% crit

68 Dragonhawk - 122 agi -> 4.01% crit

Also newly displayed is how our pets spirit translates into out of combat regen

69 Windserpent - 96 spr -> 54 hp / sec out of combat

68 Dragonhawk - 95 spr -> 53 hp / sec out of combat

any confirmation of this? It's not showing up on Thottbot's beta section yet.

Not really Talents, but here is tier 5 apparently
http://www.picvault.info/images/537019595_huntert5.jpg
Wasn't Stam supposed to be cheaper to put on items? Why is there so little on this set then?

Actually what I notice is the grand total of +21 hit and +23 crit (just over 1% of each at 70)... and that's ilvl 120 gear compared to ilvl 66 GS (40 hit/42 crit) and ilvl 76 DS (20 hit/70 crit). Yeah, I know it's 5 pieces instead of 8, and I know there are sockets, rings, necklaces, trinkets... I'm not saying it's a bad thing as I plan on emphasizing RAP over crit in my gear selection anyway, but it's definitely an interesting turn in hunter itemization. Only 15 mp5, too.

Well, it is now.

http://thottbot.com/beta?s=multi-shot
http://www.thottbot.com/?s=multi-shot

At least, it's lower than it is on live. Max rank(level 67) is now 275 mana instead of 412 mana, current max rank(level 60) is 230, which I believe was approximately what it was pre-nerf.

Taken tonight



Far as itemization, your crit rate is goign to go down as you level, even as you get new gear. Crit is relatively much more expensive in the item budget at 70 than it was at 60.

Once you hit 70 and start hitting the heroics and raids it will start climbing again but probably not past where we are today.

Going from 60-70 and upgrading tier 2 stuff with dungeon/quest blues and my crit has dropped from ~23% to ~16% big gains in sta, int and RAP. Funny though, my melee AP is actually higher than my ranged AP before I kick on hawk (BM Still).

Yes they un-nerf'd Multi-Shot mana cost. Thanks for noticing this!

The real question is: does Claw and Bite now scale with RAP?

Unfortunately my only reasonably leveled pet in the beta is my son of hakkar.

Edited - Bite doesn't scale, I forgot talents and/or happy pet buff

Okay screenshots.

Bite scaling, this was my lvl 69 windserpent unbuffed against a lvl 66 ogre. He is using Bite rank 8, 81-99 listed damage



Far as the gear comments I made.

This is me on live, 7/41/3. Mostly tier 2 with a few heavy agi peices that didn't get updated.



Embarassing I know, although that is fully unbuffed, no hawk, no trueshot.

This is me at lvl 70 in beta, with the exact same talents (I left some unspent for this comparison), I have replaced every slot.



This is with my normal spec, 42/19/0

raid sets are supposed to be mostly dps. those high sta on lvl up gear is for casuals most likely so they don't get 1 shotted?

T5 added up T4 added up T3 added up for 5 piece

3435 armor 3022 armor 2582 armor
113 agi 114 agi 115 agi
103 sta 102 sta 127 sta
116 int 122 int 62 int
278 ap 282 ap 226 ap
18 hit rating 12 hit rating 10 hit rating
23 crit rating 16 crit rating 84 crit rating
19 mp5 14 mp5 17 mp5

5 red sockets 2 red sockets
1 yellow 2 yellow sockets
1 meta 2 blue
1 meta

My blue dungeon/quest stuff

2389 armor
65 agi
30 sta
60 int
326 ap
15 hit rating
21 crit rating
21 mp5

6 blue sockets

Kind of skewed becase these are my stat light, heavy AP peices. I'm not spread pretty much evenly like a set it but worth mentioning.

Regarding steady shot.

Weapon
114-213
2.6 speed
62.9 dps


Without hawk, no talents, 1218 ap - Steady listed damage 515
With hawk, no talents, 1373 ap - Steadly listed damage 562

With hawk up I went and killed all the pigs in the farm outside org, lvl 3 critters

Over about a dozen shots steady hit for 545 - 648.

Edit - Since I am testing stuff and posting screens. You get to do this once every 3 minutes if you are a BM hunter.



Edit 2 - One last thing before I sleep but for a while ammo wasn't adding enough dps. Now it seems to be working correctly and being applied before any haste effects. So with 5/5 serpents swiftness and a 13% quiver the 32 dps ammo adds 43.2 dps.

When you trinket up and blow rapid fire it adds an ungodly amount of damage (62 dps to be precise).

Seems like they want to really make a differant between the Pvp sets and the Pve ones....

Are you sure? That only looks like it's taking into account the 25% damage boost from the pet being fed to max happiness, and he is attacking what I assume is a caster type ogre with low armor.

I hate to be a nay-sayer, but I either think it's not scaling, or it's scaling very badly. It seems especially apparent to me when it's taken into account how well Lightning Breath scales with RAP.

Okay so I lied, one last last thing before sleep, since I was at the swine farm anyway.

No talents, pet at neutral and it was hitting swine for listed damage.

You are correct sir, no scaling. I forgot either talents or happy pet or both.

I'm sad that I was right. :(

The power of GFTT will, if we are to judge from the crit on t5 vs t3, be reduced A LOT, so I hope they will add RAP -> AP scaling on bite/claw and other specials.

On a side note, has anyone compared cat with claw vs wind serpent on loatheb for alliance? I'd imagine the claw coupled with jol would make it's survivability higher and thus the dps for the encoutner as a whole.

Rank five of multi-shot used to be 310 mana (279 with efficiency). It's rather interesting to see that they made a 180° turn and made multi-shot less mana intensive than it was before WoW 2.0.

How can it seriously be worth getting both T4 and then T5 when they are the same besides some armor and differently colored gems?

The Set Bonuses, Tier 5 seems so much better compared to Tier 4. Its really that simple, Pet Healing it self and increased (damage I believe) for Steady Shot on T5, compared to the -5% FD resist and reduced mana cost of multi on Tier 4. Thats what essentially would want us to upgrade, t3 to t4 is just cause of the general stats.

Get a new Helm for the Meta socket, and call it a day.

Incremental upgrades, they are scared to death of mudflation now that they realize how huge a segment of their player base is into PvP.

Between the sockets, especially the meta socket, tier 5 is an upgrade. Tier 4 is supposed to be roughly equivalent to tier 3, you can just get it in a 10 man.