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Old 03/21/07, 2:45 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Exigent View Post
Now I've got to worry about finding Large Brilliants
I'm farming up the mats for 15 agility to gloves (for my tier 4) and 12 dodge to cloak (devilshark). I've always had millions of large brilliant shards, but my supply is running out as I no longer run those dungeons.

Being a disenchanter and not having stealth, can anyone recommend a couple of bosses that are easily farmed?

Also, feel free to tell me if those items are not worth the enchants or if I'm going after the wrong enchants.
 
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Old 03/22/07, 2:56 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I'd honestly just do 12 agi on your cloak.
 
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Old 03/22/07, 3:28 AM   #53 (permalink)
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12 dodge fits quite well on Devilshark. 120ac is also a good and cheap option, though it would be better on a Gilded Thorium Cloak, for those that like max hp/ac. Can't really recommend putting 12 agi on any tanking cloak unless you are a druid.
 
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Old 03/22/07, 4:34 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I don't really see why 12 agi is all that bad compared to 12 dodge:

.41% dodge + .36% crit + 24 ac

vs:

.63% dodge

Large Brilliant Shards are ridiculously overpriced on my server, and new world enchant mats are plentiful. Personal preference I guess.
 
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Old 03/22/07, 5:18 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Yea it is quite expensive and might not be worth it. I would probably still use 120ac in that case.

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Old 03/22/07, 6:58 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Suesse View Post
Being a disenchanter and not having stealth, can anyone recommend a couple of bosses that are easily farmed?
Go to Scholomance.

You can get to Rattlegore without aggroing a single mob.
Kill kim.

You then usually have to kill a single group in front of the door (which you need the rattlegore key for). Easily dispatcheble.

Then kill Ras.
If you know the route this can be done in less than 10 minutes.
And you get the benefit that Ras can drop the supreme power recipe, which is still worth some money.

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Old 03/22/07, 9:19 AM   #57 (permalink)
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Incendius in BRD is quick to get to without aggroing any trash and is a guaranteed LBS. I often kill him then go through to the vault and kill the warder for a either a large or small shard then do the dark coffer if the keeper is close. Resilience librams go for nothing at the moment, but who knows what the future may hold. Can't hurt to stock up on a few burning essences.
 
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Old 03/22/07, 2:05 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by suicuique View Post
Go to Scholomance.

You can get to Rattlegore without aggroing a single mob.
Kill kim.

You then usually have to kill a single group in front of the door (which you need the rattlegore key for). Easily dispatcheble.

Then kill Ras.
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.

I tried stratholme this morning. Most of the bosses required at least a pull or two. Knocked off unforgiven, hearthsinger, timmy (required a lot of clearing, not worth it for shards), 3 tower bosses, and magistrate. The only difficult thing was the pull of 3 casters before the frost mage boss (I died once here, but is probably possible). While this worked, the whole dungeon is terrible.. there are multiple long debuffs and the eyes of naxxaramus will pop up in the middle of a pull or two that you're evading, pulling both groups to you.
 
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Old 03/26/07, 12:20 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by slitz View Post
Jupp, but I would say most of that healing comes from Prayer of Mending and not Battlemaster. It procs less than crusader so it isn't something you should count on, I just consider it as a nice bonus.


About battlemaster (ressurecting an old thread here) I would think the healing on it would generate considerable aggro on its proc if you are fighting 1 mob like lets say a boss.

If i read it correctly battle master heals you and your group for about 100 points. So that is 500 healing aggro. Now take into account yuou are at point blank range (just so no 120% comes into play before you pull aggro) and if it is modified by D stance and defiance, skeptical about the latter your looking at around 550 extra threat everytime it procs (discluded defiance). Thats more aggro then the top ranked revenge if i can recall.


Not saying its the best enchant but maybe it is something that should be looked into before casting it off

edit: also since its a proc it wont waste your global cooldown either

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Old 03/26/07, 1:33 AM   #60 (permalink)
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Doesn't Battlemaster actually heal more than that?
Anyways, don't forget that healing is only worth half its value in threat. Battlemaster also has a rather bad proc rate as far as I know, and it's likely to overheal a lot of the time. I'm very happy with Mongoose, it has good benefits and a decent uptime while tanking.
 
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Old 03/26/07, 9:41 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Suesse View Post
I'm farming up the mats for 15 agility to gloves (for my tier 4) and 12 dodge to cloak (devilshark). I've always had millions of large brilliant shards, but my supply is running out as I no longer run those dungeons.

Being a disenchanter and not having stealth, can anyone recommend a couple of bosses that are easily farmed?

Also, feel free to tell me if those items are not worth the enchants or if I'm going after the wrong enchants.
I as arms spec and a holy priest did 5 runs in dm east for a total 23 LBS in 70 minutes or so. You only have to kill the mobs before the last boss and one satyr in the tunnel leading up to the sacrificer, the rest is avoided at lvl 70.

Also, for gloves you may consider vindicator's armor kit for 8 defense, it's about 0.41% avoidance on average (vs agi's 0.50%) but helluva faster to farm than essence of air. Plus it's nice to have beefy defense when you switch parts for defense gimped resistance. It's just 3 heavy knothide and 1 primal earth iirc.
 
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Old 03/26/07, 10:43 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Battlemaster heals about 250 per person (gets pets too). Proc rate is ok, about the same as Crusader. The problem though is that most of the time your group is healed up so the only threat you get from it is the health you heal on yourself. And even then it overheals a lot. I had it for a while before anyone had Mongoose on my faction. I later switched to Mongoose. I am still WTB Crusader upgrade.
 
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Old 03/26/07, 12:47 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Geo View Post
About battlemaster (ressurecting an old thread here) I would think the healing on it would generate considerable aggro on its proc if you are fighting 1 mob like lets say a boss.

If i read it correctly battle master heals you and your group for about 100 points. So that is 500 healing aggro. Now take into account yuou are at point blank range (just so no 120% comes into play before you pull aggro) and if it is modified by D stance and defiance, skeptical about the latter your looking at around 550 extra threat everytime it procs (discluded defiance). Thats more aggro then the top ranked revenge if i can recall.


Not saying its the best enchant but maybe it is something that should be looked into before casting it off

edit: also since its a proc it wont waste your global cooldown either
On paper it looks that way, but I don't think I've seen a test yet. Since seeing the test that someone did with lifebloom (searching fails me), I've been skeptical of assuming any threat based on what the combat log shows.

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Old 03/26/07, 6:56 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Punscho View Post
Also, for gloves you may consider vindicator's armor kit for 8 defense, it's about 0.41% avoidance on average (vs agi's 0.50%) but helluva faster to farm than essence of air. Plus it's nice to have beefy defense when you switch parts for defense gimped resistance. It's just 3 heavy knothide and 1 primal earth iirc.
This is a good point. The only resist with good gloves is fire.
I'll probably combat low defense in resist gear by putting on some pvp resilience gear (high stamina and cheap crit mitigation) like Gladiator's Shield Wall.
 
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Old 04/09/07, 11:27 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Just to resurrect this thread, I got the t4 tank helm a while ago and have yet to put an enchant on it. Personally, I want to grab a ZG enchant for it (I already have a doll, just need to grab some people for a run to Jin'do or Bloodlord), but so far haven't had any luck getting that.

Then I started to wonder about the CE revered enchant, rather than the KoT one. Assuming that you've already got 490 defence, how would the KoT one compare to getting the (>1%) hit from the CE one? I've been maxing stam/armour/mitigation so far, so my hit rating is pitifully low, and I find myself missing aggro moves all too often. Am I totally crazy to even consider this, or is this a good place to find hit rating in tank gear?

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Old 04/10/07, 7:46 AM   #66 (permalink)
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While this is here i may as well ask; what's your preferred threat enchant on a weapon in a situation where mongoose and battlemaster are unavailable(haven't dropped for horde on FW yet)?

Currently i have Sun Eater with 15 agi on it as my boss-avoidance weapon and i'm using King's Defender as my all round threat weapon. Up to this point i've been using Fiery Weapon on the KD but i'm not happy with the huge amount of resists that occur and i'm wondering if i'd find better use from Lifestealing or Crusader, or if i should just sod it all and throw a weapon chain on it.
 
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