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Old 02/19/07, 8:21 PM   #61
missiletoad
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Yeah, pretty much everything. Procs off of drinking, mounting, changing equipment, telling mom to get out of the basement, etc.. Despite that handy feature, totem dropping and lightning bolt spam is more than enough to make the proc buff be up for the majority of combat.

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Old 02/20/07, 11:13 AM   #62
♦ Praetorian
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I'm going to put this here since the other thread will tell me I need more +hit and AP.

Discounting gear from Magtheridon and Serpentshrine, can anyone find ways of improving on this "wish list" Resto set?

http://ctprofiles.net/177176

CTProfiles doesn't support gems yet, but I pretty much socket Royal Nightseye into everything and will continue to do so, so you can assume that.

I currently have a Shockwave Truncheon (stupid Maiden) with Spellsurge on it, that I figure I'll continue using whenever I'm in a caster-heavy group, and when I get Shard I'll put +81 healing on that as an all-purpose weapon. I still need the shield, and the leggings (or Heart-Flame from Chess), and I'm using a Bishop's Cloak (Badges) instead of Prince's.

Any other suggestions for further improving my gear? Anything I might have overlooked? What about trinkets? I love my Scarab of the Infinite Cycle, don't really see the need for a separate burst healing (click for +heal) trinket, and I haven't found a substitute that would clearly return more mana over time than my Warmth of Forgiveness. What other trinkets have shamans found useful?

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Old 02/20/07, 11:32 AM   #63
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Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post

I currently have a Shockwave Truncheon (stupid Maiden) with Spellsurge on it, that I figure I'll continue using whenever I'm in a caster-heavy group, and when I get Shard I'll put +81 healing on that as an all-purpose weapon. I still need the shield, and the leggings (or Heart-Flame from Chess), and I'm using a Bishop's Cloak (Badges) instead of Prince's.
I might pick up a Hand of Eternity over your MH, but it's a preference of 20stam vs 20heal.

Also there's a jewelcrafting trinket which is better than Warmth of forgiveness, Talasite Owl.

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Old 02/20/07, 11:43 AM   #64
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Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
I'm going to put this here since the other thread will tell me I need more +hit and AP.
It is your destiny.

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Old 02/20/07, 12:04 PM   #65
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On the subject of the Talasite Owl, here is a comment somebody made on Thottbot.

This item is especially good for shamans. It is classed as a totem when you use it, so the improved mana spring talent in resto tree increases the amount of mana restored to roughly 1200.
Assuming this is true (and I have not confirmed), is improved mana spring talent something that most Resto spec's take? The total Mana/5 with 1200 mana being returned every 5 min is:

1200 mana / ( 5 min * 60 s/min) * 5 per5s = 20 mana/5s + 14 mana/5s = 34 mana/5s (with talent)
900 mana / ( 5 min * 60 s/min) * 5 per5s = 15 mana/5s + 14 mana/5s = 29 mana/5s (without talent)

So 34 mana/5 assuming you use it everytime the cooldown is up (and my math is correct).

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Old 02/20/07, 12:06 PM   #66
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Since it's both a pre-req for Mana Tide and it affects the now-awesome-with-trinkets Healing Stream it's pretty staple in 41+ builds.

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Old 02/20/07, 12:12 PM   #67
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Well yeah, but picking up Jewelcrafting just for that is a bit of a stretch. Besides, I'm already a combined 14 points from 375/375 Smithing/LW with no gathering skills or alts, and I'll be damned if I'm giving that up at this point.

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Old 02/20/07, 12:28 PM   #68
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Originally Posted by missiletoad View Post
Yeah, pretty much everything. Procs off of drinking, mounting, changing equipment, telling mom to get out of the basement, etc.. Despite that handy feature, totem dropping and lightning bolt spam is more than enough to make the proc buff be up for the majority of combat.
Well the scoundrel in me wants to know is there anything that you can use to make it proc that doesn't start the global cooldown?


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Old 02/20/07, 2:05 PM   #69
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Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
What other trinkets have shamans found useful?
I haven't done the math on it but the lower city prayer book is pretty nice with the passive healing and the minute cooldown (45 seconds non active phase) subtraction from heals. I just need to work the prayer book into a macro because I just don't activate it nearly enough. This is also a reason I miss my Warmth of Forgiveness on my priest. I could either save it for mana tight spots or activate it early for efficient mana gain.

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Old 02/20/07, 7:53 PM   #70
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Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
I'm going to put this here since the other thread will tell me I need more +hit and AP.

Discounting gear from Magtheridon and Serpentshrine, can anyone find ways of improving on this "wish list" Resto set?

http://ctprofiles.net/177176

CTProfiles doesn't support gems yet, but I pretty much socket Royal Nightseye into everything and will continue to do so, so you can assume that.

I currently have a Shockwave Truncheon (stupid Maiden) with Spellsurge on it, that I figure I'll continue using whenever I'm in a caster-heavy group, and when I get Shard I'll put +81 healing on that as an all-purpose weapon. I still need the shield, and the leggings (or Heart-Flame from Chess), and I'm using a Bishop's Cloak (Badges) instead of Prince's.

Any other suggestions for further improving my gear? Anything I might have overlooked? What about trinkets? I love my Scarab of the Infinite Cycle, don't really see the need for a separate burst healing (click for +heal) trinket, and I haven't found a substitute that would clearly return more mana over time than my Warmth of Forgiveness. What other trinkets have shamans found useful?
As well as the +heal trinkets I use to drop Earth Shield and Healing Stream (Oshu and Xi'ri's), I use Heavenly Inspiration. 10mp5, and a +heal use. Less mana gain, but I used it primarily to rebuff Earth Shield during a fight.

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Old 02/21/07, 10:04 AM   #71
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Mana Tide

I just respec'd from 37/0/24 to 30/0/31 in order to pick up Mana Tide, Purification, and Healing Way. It's been awhile since I've had Mana Tide but it seems to tick more often now than before. Instead of getting 4 ticks (of 6% mana), I'm getting 5 ticks. So instead of getting 24% of my mana back, I'm getting 30%. Please tell me this is not a bug cause that is pretty freakin sweet.

It's effectively a 25% increase in it's effectiveness so could it be that Restorative Totems is working with Mana Tide? Seems kind of silly since Resto Totems is a requirement for Mana Tide.

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Old 02/21/07, 12:05 PM   #72
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It seems to tick once when its being destroyed....I dont have timestamps on my combat logs but it seems to be going like this
Drop - Tick 1
3 seconds later: Tick 2
3 seconds later: Tick 3
3 seconds later: Tick 4
Destroyed: Tick 5

Ok tested it again and I got 4 ticks : / so yeah I am assuming the last tick is affected by lag.

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Old 02/21/07, 12:29 PM   #73
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I'm not sure where you guys are getting your numbers on totem of wrath, but you may seriously want to rethink this talent if you have some good mages to group with. My own mage, whose gear is not even terribly good, gets almost 50 dps from a totem of wrath. I tried switching to a less crit-friendly frost build and got 45 dps from it. This only scales up with spell damage gear. In a typical dps caster group, maybe shaman/mage/mage/warlock/shadow priest, you are looking at almost 100 dps from enhancing the 2 mages -alone-. Warlocks are likely to have improved shadow bolt and even the shadow priest is not putting your totem to total waste. I'd estimate this totem is worth 200dps at bare minimum, and also includes side benefits like getting more mana back from VT.

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Old 02/21/07, 1:25 PM   #74
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Originally Posted by Vontre View Post
I'm not sure where you guys are getting your numbers on totem of wrath, but you may seriously want to rethink this talent if you have some good mages to group with. My own mage, whose gear is not even terribly good, gets almost 50 dps from a totem of wrath. I tried switching to a less crit-friendly frost build and got 45 dps from it. This only scales up with spell damage gear. In a typical dps caster group, maybe shaman/mage/mage/warlock/shadow priest, you are looking at almost 100 dps from enhancing the 2 mages -alone-. Warlocks are likely to have improved shadow bolt and even the shadow priest is not putting your totem to total waste. I'd estimate this totem is worth 200dps at bare minimum, and also includes side benefits like getting more mana back from VT.
I personnally would love to justify getting ToW. With ToW, Elemental Percision and Nature's Guidance you only need 63 Spell hit to be hit capped which is achievable and allows for more spell crit, or damage, or int on gear. Going from Binkenstien's DPS spreadsheet with the best gear available(or at least what was in my opinion the best gear available, full tier 5 along with some other stuff, mostly spell crit/damage gear), enchants, and sockets, with totem of wrath somewhere along the lines of 1000dps. While thats obviously unrealistic at the moment, it's still somewhat telling.

However, I still cannot justify getting it in my head, because of Lightning Overload. If that talent was replaced with something else(Empowered Lightning?) I'd have it in a heartbeat.

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Old 02/21/07, 2:04 PM   #75
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Observations on Lightning Overload...

1. I haven't been able to confirm if the second bolt can proc a clearcast. I have seen LO proc on a clearcasted bolt, though.

2. The proc fires upon impact, not cast end. It will fire while you are moving. My combat log generally reports the proc hitting within ~1 second of the original bolt.

3. Trinkets such as the Nexus Horn (on cast proc) do NOT affect the LO bolt if they proc on the initial impact.

4. Cast animations are slightly buggy when LO procs. My shaman tends to "throw" his first bolt, do a super-warp-kamehameha-cast of the LO proc, then do nothing for the real cast that's in progress. The casting bar also seems prone to stutter noticeably when the proc occurs.

5. Chain Lightning LO procs will not bounce to the same exact targets as the original shot, which is probably expected. It is, however, absolutely hilarious to get two triple crits on an AOE pull and have a 4000 DPS spike.

6. Elemental Mastery will not guarantee a double crit if your cast procs LO.

I don't have NS, but I would assume that NS would allow an LO proc. Double-chain on the run would be classy.

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