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Old 02/11/07, 1:08 AM   #16
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Weapons are generally exceptional; no other *trinket* provides a 4-6% DPS boost.

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Old 02/11/07, 1:18 AM   #17
Cryect
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So a trinket should provide the equivalent of several hundred +damage based on a combination of your crit rate and the spell you are casting? Then why the hell hasn't blizzard chosen to provide casters with trinkets that provide that much constant +damage?

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Old 02/11/07, 1:20 AM   #18
Kaiza
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Believe it or not, that trinket has been nerfed from it's original version, where it did around 2,500 damage.

I wish there was a melee trinket as good as that.

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Old 02/11/07, 4:49 AM   #19
Vhad
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I have found the same around ~6-7% dmg increase in raids and such, in 5 man zones it accounts for alot more if you are AoEing. Think I had it account for 10% of my dmg one run through shattered halls.

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Old 02/11/07, 5:26 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by Nfariessence
This dropped for us last night and I handed it over to a mage, simply because as an Affliction specced lock, many of my spells do not crit (although I'd love to see that sucker proc 100 times on Ilhoof with SoC imp control).

Is there a ranking of which type of caster it's better for? Maybe Frost Mage > Fire Mage > Destro Lock > Arcane Mage > Moonkin > SM/Ruin Lock? I'd imagine that a Winter's Chill Frost Mage is going to be critting a bunch, possibly more than a Fire Mage (but with Scorch spam thrown in the mix... who knows).

I hope it doesn't get nerfed, but I can just feel it coming down the line.
Fire mage or Arcane mage are easaily the best recipients of the trinket. Both are casting a 1.5 casting speed spell with a crit rate of 30%+.

Frost mages are in the same ball park, but their spell is a 2.5 second casting speed. And Destuction Warlocks actually don't ever get their crit rate that high, simply because they don't have the talents for it, and again are casting a 2.5 second speed spell when they are.

Affliction Locks and Shadow priests are best passing the trinket - Elemental Shaman would get a lot more use out of it than them, as would a moonkin I guess. (Again, never played with one properly).

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Old 02/11/07, 9:11 AM   #21
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With elemental mastery and chain lightning, this would be stupidly good. Since all three hits of chain lightning crit with mastery up this would guarantee a proc. Shaman crit runs around 30% on lightning bolt and chain lightning naturally, with a 2 and 1.5 sec cast times.

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Old 02/11/07, 2:39 PM   #22
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no other *trinket* provides a 4-6% DPS boost.
I was indeed stating that Neltharion's Tear in it's first conception was 5-7% of a players DPS (what with 2% hit and all) and more when players were doing Blackwing Lair. The 'accepted' theorycraft in my guild for how much it still provides is around 46 DPS and for someone doing 1000 DPS that's remains 4.6% of the grand total.

Originally Posted by Maledict
Fire mage or Arcane mage are easaily the best recipients of the trinket. Both are casting a 1.5 casting speed spell with a crit rate of 30%+.

Frost mages are in the same ball park, but their spell is a 2.5 second casting speed. And Destuction Warlocks actually don't ever get their crit rate that high, simply because they don't have the talents for it, and again are casting a 2.5 second speed spell when they are.
While I agree that fire mages indeed are probably the best recipients, I would beg to differ concerning destruction warlocks not putting it to as good a use as frost mages, both in 5 mans and *some* fights (that we've seen so far). A destruction warlock can spec points into searing pain (1.5 second cast, +10% crit) and boast 30%+ crit rating (as I do) on that spell, factoring in immolate and conflag and on average get the percentages (or more) I previously posted. While you're probably right in most cases, you're probably also forgetting destruction warlocks also have Shadowfury and Seed of Corruption to call upon; Illhoof was a treat, all I did was seed him and shadowfury the imps and was pushing 2k DPS, with the capacitor going off about once every 4-5 seconds.

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Old 02/11/07, 9:59 PM   #23
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Yes, it would be nuts for an elemental shaman especially due to the high crit rate and faster casting rate. Even more so if the lightning bolt from the trinket (being a lightning bolt) is affected by shaman talents for lightning bolts.

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Old 02/11/07, 11:39 PM   #24
Cubensis
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Believe it or not, that trinket has been nerfed from it's original version, where it did around 2,500 damage.
It used to do 500 dmg, on 5 crit procs. It was recently buffed in the 2.0.3 patch, to increase damage to 1000, and lower required crits to 3. In my opinion, the 500 dmg, 5 crits maybe was marginally underpowered, but still probaly closer to balance than the current version.

The 'accepted' theorycraft in my guild for how much it still provides is around 46 DPS
On a frost mage, typical 800-850 damage, it will be giving around 44*3/3.5 / 2.5 = 12.7 dps base, plus the hit, and with avg DPS around the 800 mark, the 1.4% ish hit will be around another 11.2 dps. Roughly 23-24 dps at most. No way is Nelth Tear pumping out 46 DPS, not even close.

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Old 02/14/07, 2:47 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by Maledict
Fire mage or Arcane mage are easaily the best recipients of the trinket. Both are casting a 1.5 casting speed spell with a crit rate of 30%+
Arcane Mages using Arcane Missles can crit every 1sec.

Every 10th cast (clear cast), their crit rate will go up by 30%.


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Old 02/14/07, 5:18 PM   #26
Nexflamma
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I am an SM/Ruin lock and no one else in the Karazhan raid could take the capacitor because we have gotten lucky with drops up to this point. I was wondering what two trinkets would probably be best on my char for raid DPS seeing as I'm 40/0/21.

Quag's eye - http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.ht...US;source=live
Icon of the Silver Cresent - http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.ht...US;source=live
Nexus-horn - http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.ht...US;source=live
Lightning Capacitor - http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.ht...US;source=live

Any suggestions would be really appreciated because all four of these are really beastly.

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Old 02/14/07, 5:59 PM   #27
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40/21 suffers from a much lower crit / minute then any other offencive caster combination.

I'd suggest the top two trinkets, or possibly even stick with tear and something else.


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Old 02/14/07, 10:15 PM   #28
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While we're on the topic of 'overpowered', here's some food for thought. It's my firm belief that Quag's Eye offers a more signifigant DPS boost (at least for destro warlocks) in a fully buffed raid environment because of the addition of flat modifier (the 37 damage taking advantage of the 30% in modified damage of debuffs) and the 3 shadowbolts/incinerates that can be cast in the time span that 2 can normally. I guess what I'm saying boils down to is that it looks like quag's eye might scale faster than the capacitor. Then you can always throw in some bloodlust for a bit of fun ..

Quagmirran's Eye + Bloodlust = imbalanced cast rate

The only problem is that capacitor *can* be quantified through damage meters while it would be very hard to fully do so w/ the eye.

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Old 02/18/07, 10:40 AM   #29
Skav
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Does it proc on vampiric embrace crits ? Would be insane.

The trinket from arcatraz last boss doesn't, though.

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Old 02/18/07, 11:37 AM   #30
Aranan
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I see mages, elemental shamans, and warlocks discussing the use of the capacitator, but what about a balance druid?

1.5 second cast time wraths (1.0 second cast if the previous spell was a crit) along with a fairly high crit rate on moonfire seems like it'd be proccing the trinket fairly often. With moonkin, moonfire has +15% crit chance from talents and wrath has +9%. It's hardly arcane mage levels of crit, though.

Granted, the itemization for balance druids isn't quite on par with mages or warlocks and I haven't sat down to compare spell damage leather to spell damage mail so I can't comment on elemental shaman itemization.

I'm just curious if this trinket or a straightforward +dmg/crit trinket would likely be better for a pew pew druid.

Last edited by Aranan : 02/19/07 at 10:58 AM.

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