Nexflamma

I am an SM/Ruin lock and no one else in the Karazhan raid could take the capacitor because we have gotten lucky with drops up to this point. I was wondering what two trinkets would probably be best on my char for raid DPS seeing as I'm 40/0/21.

Quag's eye - http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.ht...US;source=live
Icon of the Silver Cresent - http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.ht...US;source=live
Nexus-horn - http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.ht...US;source=live
Lightning Capacitor - http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.ht...US;source=live

Any suggestions would be really appreciated because all four of these are really beastly.

 

◊ Yes

40/21 suffers from a much lower crit / minute then any other offencive caster combination.

I'd suggest the top two trinkets, or possibly even stick with tear and something else.

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chuckg

While we're on the topic of 'overpowered', here's some food for thought. It's my firm belief that Quag's Eye offers a more signifigant DPS boost (at least for destro warlocks) in a fully buffed raid environment because of the addition of flat modifier (the 37 damage taking advantage of the 30% in modified damage of debuffs) and the 3 shadowbolts/incinerates that can be cast in the time span that 2 can normally. I guess what I'm saying boils down to is that it looks like quag's eye might scale faster than the capacitor. Then you can always throw in some bloodlust for a bit of fun ..

Quagmirran's Eye + Bloodlust = imbalanced cast rate

The only problem is that capacitor *can* be quantified through damage meters while it would be very hard to fully do so w/ the eye.

 

Skav

Does it proc on vampiric embrace crits ? Would be insane.

The trinket from arcatraz last boss doesn't, though.

 

Aranan

I see mages, elemental shamans, and warlocks discussing the use of the capacitator, but what about a balance druid?

1.5 second cast time wraths (1.0 second cast if the previous spell was a crit) along with a fairly high crit rate on moonfire seems like it'd be proccing the trinket fairly often. With moonkin, moonfire has +15% crit chance from talents and wrath has +9%. It's hardly arcane mage levels of crit, though.

Granted, the itemization for balance druids isn't quite on par with mages or warlocks and I haven't sat down to compare spell damage leather to spell damage mail so I can't comment on elemental shaman itemization.

I'm just curious if this trinket or a straightforward +dmg/crit trinket would likely be better for a pew pew druid.

 

Chmee

Oh wow... that would give a whole new meaning to moonfire spam.

Anyone working on how crit will scale up with this trinket? I know it all depends on talents, but how much +spell damage could one give up to raise their crit and maximize the potential?

 

Maels

Quag's Eye, at a 15% proc rate, is a ~7.5% increase in damage to me as a 40/0/21 Shadow Bolt chaining warlock.
With Bloodlust I can get 4 casts in.

Before I got it, our resident fire mage used to outdamage me on single target fights such as Maiden of Virtue, but this week I did more damage than him. The only significant difference in both our gear was me switching out my Xi'ri's Gift (kept Scryer's Bloodgem) for Quag's Eye.

I cant' wait to see the damage he produces with Scorch spam when he gets Capacitator and Fireball when haste procs off Quag's Eye.

 

Degorn

I haven't run stats to check if the proc is affected by concussion, tidal mastery or call of thunder, but elemental fury (the one that's easy to notice) doesn't affect crit procs so I'm assuming that talents don't work on the trinket.

 

Zoner

Nelths Tear for a warlock is :

About 15-16 raw dps for destruction nukes
25 dps for nukes mixed with dots
29 dps for pure dots, a little higher than that with affliction spec.


Original poster claiming 46 ish is on crack.

With a conservative 1500 shadowbolt base its exactly 5% when mixed with dots assuming you can use COA. 4.5% or so without COA.

Sure the hit rating on nelth's tear also counts in some of the time, but its going to vary. I'd say about 5 dps on a good day.

 

Cubensis

Damn, Blizzard spotted it. Damn them to hell.

It's been reduced from around 1k damage, to 600 damage - roughly 40% dps reduction. Obviously needed it, but still a little sad to see.

Ah well, gone are the days of 1.6k crit lightning procs.

 

◊ Acustar

Yup

 

• missiletoad

I got this toy tonight. Color me impressed! I'll be sad to have it nerfed, but it's needed.

With an elemental shaman's crit rate, it's all the fun of Lightning Overload, with no talent points spent and a higher "proc" rate. Though I haven't done the parsing to back this up, I'm fairly certain that lightning crit % talents affect the Capacitor's discharge. An EM-fueled chain lightning is silly... I'm told a mage/warlock's aoe crits do not charge the trinket, but multiple chain lightning crits do. Getting an extra 1000-1500 damage per EM CL cast is lovely. Unless they put a limit on how frequent charges can occur, this is going to be a solid mainstay for me even post-nerf I imagine.

 

• zepi

This is excellent trinket for PVP:ing elemental shammy for arenas. Get Power Infusion from your priest, pop a trinket and annihilate half of the enemy team together with this baby.

Is it true that it doesn't proc from Arcane Explosion or Seed of Corruption crits? In that case I could probably consider passing this for a shaman or another caster.

 

Northerner

You may want to read the description more carefully. It's a bolt fired at your current target each time you crit three times and that three times is a little strange just given how AE and even concurrent timestamps are handled.

Don't get me wrong, it's a strange and insanely potent proc condition and even nerfed it remains an excellent trinket.

 

Jazido

I agree, even in its 'nerfed' state, I would always keep it equipped while AoEing. And any time I Arcane Blast, as well (trash mobs).

 

GrizleyCQ

If I read this right.... An elemental shaman who uses elemental mastery to fire off a chain lightning will always get a capacitor proc on the last target of chain lightning. And in the next patch it will allow a free followup spell, either another chain, a bolt or maybe a shock.

This item seems to scream elemental shaman, especially if its true that the lightning talents work with the bolt from the trinket.

 

Stein

3 crit AM ticks don't make it proc, right?

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Stein

33% crit rate on scorch would cause one proc per 9 casts. assuming .2 sec lag effect, 600 damage per (9*1.7) 15.3 sec. 600/15 = 40 dps?

this seems to make quag's eye and shiffar's horn better for single target / non-shatter damage, right?

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Jazido

It sucked on Gruul, it takes no gear bonus and is resisted like mad vs bosses.

 

Skiace

as someone said on wowhead, "this is what Lightning Overload should have been."

 

maxi

Not to revive a dead thread or anything, but i got this question.

Does this trinket, combined with Shiffar's Nexus-horn (chance for mad +dam on crit) makes scorches overpower fireballs in terms of dps?

Also, while we are on the trinket topic, which trinket combination do you think is best for a Kara-raiding mage? I am particularily interested in how Quag's eye measures up against easier-to-get trinkets, such as Xi'ri, or Shiffar.

 

Ezareth

Note this trinket was not nerfed to 600 damage a hit, it was nerfed to 700 damage. It looks like the upped it by 100 damage before letting it out of beta.

Even then, from my testing it IS affected by your crit rate, but not your +damage or your talents.

With a 40% crit rate I am getting over 50 DPS from this trinket alone, I haven't seen a high resist rate either so I think it benefits from your +hit as well.

 

Stormhole

The short answer so far is it can't make scorch spaming outdps 8xfireball + 1 x scorch,
but it can bring the dps much closer to it at a lower mana cost.

4% crit + extra lightning capacitor damage due to a higher
crit rate/shorter cast + extra sextant/shiffar horn damage due to higher crit
> base damage difference from fireballs + 5% extra damage coefficient.

The problem is that the base dps difference is about 80dps (scorch ~= 220 base dps,
fireball ~= 300 base dps) .

If you assume that using the capacitor gets you 25 extra dps that closes the gap,
but right now the itemization just does not exist to close the remainder of the gap.

Given that the chance on crit trinkets have hidden cooldowns, and that the haste itemization
doesn't benefit scorch due to it not lowering the global cooldown. ( I'm don't have any
of the crit trinkets but I'm guessing that the limiting factor to them being up would be
your crit rate but the cooldown on them).

Another interesting question: would using a mark of defiance + scorch in a fire build be
able to give you more damage per mana pool than an arcane frost mage spamming
frostbolts.

 

maxi

Hmmmm curious, that might make scorchmages the optimal choice for really long fights.

Anyway, i got yet another question - does anyone know if this trinket's proc benefits from your own +crit and +hit?

It doesn't benefit from +dam, apparently, but some mages report it having critrates, identical to mage's own crit on general-school spells, as well as scaling with +hit.

 

• Goggles

It certainly seems to crit at about the same rate as my spell crit rate. I also get relatively few resists so I think it probably uses my +hit too. Even when I specced for crit and scorch it didn't seem that great.

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