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Old 06/01/08, 3:16 PM   #2146
dragonskin
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Lightning's Blade (EU)
Originally Posted by tappi View Post
Would be great
I will have to choose for 2 mail items that my hunters get priority on, above all hybrids.
Including golden forest shoulders and starstalkers. ..Maybe someone already checked which item is the highest upgrade from T6 / bow-stitched ? What would you do?


Also, i have to join the others on this one: The gear planner needs to take the hit into account on the item it is sorting.
example: With 142 hitrating, it puts the Madness trinket on #8 but doesnt take into accounnt that if you would replace it with any above, the 20 hitrating would be lost and thus make it ~top3.

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Old 06/01/08, 5:36 PM   #2147
Scio
Glass Joe
 
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Human Paladin
 
Trollbane (EU)
Originally Posted by dragonskin View Post
Would be great
I will have to choose for 2 mail items that my hunters get priority on, above all hybrids.
Including golden forest shoulders and starstalkers. ..Maybe someone already checked which item is the highest upgrade from T6 / bow-stitched ? What would you do?


Also, i have to join the others on this one: The gear planner needs to take the hit into account on the item it is sorting.
example: With 142 hitrating, it puts the Madness trinket on #8 but doesnt take into accounnt that if you would replace it with any above, the 20 hitrating would be lost and thus make it ~top3.
All I can help you with is that you do not want [Thalassian Ranger Gauntlets] since you gain more from the 4set GS bonus. The GS gloves are the best pre-sunwell tier piece.

Personally I would grab [Mantle of the Golden Forest] and [Cloak of Unforgivable Sin]. Those are kinda sure thing items since they dont have any INT

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Old 06/01/08, 6:57 PM   #2148
Dch48
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Draka
Flaws in V49?

I don't think the Gear Planner or Calc attributes are working right. I have the Jin'Rohk sword equipped and no DST. The gear planner lists the sword as #3 and does not even list DST in the top 10 trinkets even though it increases the dps on the gear tab when plugged in by more than the Tsunami Talisman does which is on the list. If I plug in DST on the gear page and do the calc attributes, the sword drops completely off the list in the gear planner and the DST then will show up in the trinkets list.

Also, I would like to see the gear go back to being in alphabetical order in the drop down on the gear page instead of being scrambled in an order which isn't even accurate for dps.

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Old 06/01/08, 8:08 PM   #2149
Dch48
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Draka
More info

If I do the calc attributes with the Jin'Rohk equipped, it drops from #3 to #9 and the Trollbane is ranked higher. When I go back to the Gear page and plug in Trollbane, the dps drops the same as before I did the calc. This is very confusing. Also when I plug in any one of the 2H weapons that have haste, the dps rating for the DST goes down and it drops off the list in the planner. How can I tell which gear is better when these kind of things happen? Is the Jin'Rohk better than Trollbane and the Twinblade of the Phoenix, or isn't it? And is the DST a trinket I should use or not? Even when it drops off the list, it still gives more dps on the gear tab than other trinkets that are on the list.

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Old 06/02/08, 3:47 AM   #2150
Tsook
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Tsook
Troll Hunter
 
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Read the thread, please. Cheeky stated that the Gear Planner currently doesn't take the 40 AP on the DST into account, so it's showing up much lower than it should be.

The gear on the gear tab shows up in the order it's on the gear planner tab. If you click 'alphabetize' on the gear planner tab, then it will be alphabetical on the gear tab too.

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Old 06/02/08, 7:59 AM   #2151
zoujin
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Bloodscalp (EU)
Originally Posted by Scio View Post
Personally I would grab [Mantle of the Golden Forest] and [Cloak of Unforgivable Sin]. Those are kinda sure thing items since they dont have any INT
Int has nothing to do with it. T6 gloves + mantle are inferior to T6 shoulders + [Thalassian Ranger Gauntlets] or [Gloves of Immortal Dusk].

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Old 06/02/08, 9:20 AM   #2152
dragonskin
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Lightning's Blade (EU)
2 sunwell mail items guys
the cloak is shared with some others anyhow.

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Old 06/02/08, 12:04 PM   #2153
Bovii
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Hunter
 
Maelstrom
Technically, the Thalassian Ranger Gauntlets outclass the Gloves of Immortal Dusk simply because of the improved AGI, STA, and Armor Pen plus INT versus the leather equivalents. Though, quite frankly, wearing full leather w/ the T6 shoulders, bracers, belt, boots, and the KJ helm is about where you want to be when it is all said and done.

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Old 06/02/08, 12:33 PM   #2154
wilfbrimer
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Aggramar
Don't understand the gear planer

Looking at it I get the following

Nyn'jah's Tabi Boots 47.49 Badge Reward
Edgewalker Longboots 41.72 Karazhan
Fel Leather Boots 39.27 Crafting
Boots of Utter Darkness 39.00 Crafting
Cobra-Lash Boots 37.71 Serpentshrine Cavern
Fiend Slayer Boots 37.27 Karazhan
Sunrage Treads 35.83 Dungeon
Star-Strider Boots 35.35 The Eye
Boots of the Crimson Hawk 32.26 Crafting
Boots of Effortless Striking 31.83 Serpentshrine Cavern

I currently have fiend slayer boots and it's telling me that Fel Leather Boots is better for DPS, I have it set to current hit rateing and I'm currently hit capped, how can this be?

There are several other places where I see this type of result.

my current armory is The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 06/02/08, 12:46 PM   #2155
Ebonleaf
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by wilfbrimer View Post
Looking at it I get the following

Nyn'jah's Tabi Boots 47.49 Badge Reward
Edgewalker Longboots 41.72 Karazhan
Fel Leather Boots 39.27 Crafting
Boots of Utter Darkness 39.00 Crafting
Cobra-Lash Boots 37.71 Serpentshrine Cavern
Fiend Slayer Boots 37.27 Karazhan
Sunrage Treads 35.83 Dungeon
Star-Strider Boots 35.35 The Eye
Boots of the Crimson Hawk 32.26 Crafting
Boots of Effortless Striking 31.83 Serpentshrine Cavern

I currently have fiend slayer boots and it's telling me that Fel Leather Boots is better for DPS, I have it set to current hit rateing and I'm currently hit capped, how can this be?

There are several other places where I see this type of result.

my current armory is The World of Warcraft Armory
Honestly, i'd take it with a grain of salt. Cheeky's doing the best he can with it and it's still in beta it seems. I would view it more as a guide. I know that i can build a better set than what it tells me 9 times out of 10. But i still look at those items because it thinks it would be good for me. That's pretty much the basis for the spreadsheet, theorycrafting.

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Old 06/02/08, 12:49 PM   #2156
wilfbrimer
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Aggramar
I do

And I really appreciate the work Cheeky does, just worded it bad I guess. As a side note I'd like a review of me gear and spec with though toward any reccomendations. We are just starting SSC and TK Gurrls is on farm and I do want the DST.

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Old 06/02/08, 1:39 PM   #2157
Bovii
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Hunter
 
Maelstrom
Originally Posted by wilfbrimer View Post
And I really appreciate the work Cheeky does, just worded it bad I guess. As a side note I'd like a review of me gear and spec with though toward any reccomendations. We are just starting SSC and TK Gurrls is on farm and I do want the DST.
There isn't really anything to critique. You're just starting out in SSC/TK so you can't really upgrade anything. You should snag some additional pieces out of ZA when you get the chance but your hit value is very good, your crit is good, and you almost 100% gemmed correctly. The only thing that I would suggest is dropping the +10 CR gem out of your helm (should be AGI) and replacing the blue gem out of your belt (should also be AGI). But really, you've got the best weapon for a BM Hunter that you can get until later content or until you feel like upgrading to the Xbow of Relentless Strikes (which may or may not be a boost) and you're setup relatively good.

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Old 06/02/08, 2:38 PM   #2158
Scio
Glass Joe
 
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Human Paladin
 
Trollbane (EU)
Originally Posted by Bovii View Post
Technically, the Thalassian Ranger Gauntlets outclass the Gloves of Immortal Dusk simply because of the improved AGI, STA, and Armor Pen plus INT versus the leather equivalents. Though, quite frankly, wearing full leather w/ the T6 shoulders, bracers, belt, boots, and the KJ helm is about where you want to be when it is all said and done.

I always thought [Beast-tamer's Shoulders] surpassed almost everything in-game because of the mad scaling thoose shoulders give your pet thus using the GS gloves + the sunwell pieces.

I may be wrong but some kitchentable maths states that those shoulders are worth depending on group setup 85-150dps (if you get a hunter group with an extra enchance shammy).

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Old 06/02/08, 4:44 PM   #2159
Dch48
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Draka
Gear order

Sorting the gear alphabetically in the gear planner does not set it back to alphabetical on the gear tab. It stays in the same order it was sorted by dps.

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Old 06/02/08, 4:47 PM   #2160
Bovii
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Hunter
 
Maelstrom
Originally Posted by Scio View Post
I always thought [Beast-tamer's Shoulders] surpassed almost everything in-game because of the mad scaling thoose shoulders give your pet thus using the GS gloves + the sunwell pieces.

I may be wrong but some kitchentable maths states that those shoulders are worth depending on group setup 85-150dps (if you get a hunter group with an extra enchance shammy).
Thing is, you're comparing a slight increase in damage to your pet versus a large increase to your own DPS. Gronnstalker's Spaulders - Thottbot: World of Warcraft v [Beast-tamer's Shoulders], you lose AGI, INT, 2 gem slots, and armor penetration plus the fact that you're not forcing yourself to use T6 gloves or helm and they're both extreme down grades compared to the Sunwell equivalents.

Even for a BM Hunter, those shoulders are bad once you're gearing up full bore in SWP. Ideally, a Hunter will wear the following (no links, so forgive me):

KJ helm (mail)
Brut neck
Gronn shoulders
Immortal Chest
KJ cloak
Gronn bracers
Immortal Gloves/Thalassian Ranger Gauntlets
Gronn belt
Immortal legs
Gronn boots
ZA ring
Badge ring
DST/M'uru trinket <choice>
BT trinket/M'uru trinket <choice>

Golden Bow/Thor'idal
Felspine/Sanguination Daggers x2/KJ Daggers x2

That is pretty much how it is going to go for every Hunter, end game. Granted, that is assuming that you can even get to that point but yeah, that is pretty much it. Some Hunters may choose to go with the mail equivalents but I'm willing to bet that the loss in mana is going to mean an extreme gain in personal DPS. And, as we all know, that is what is most important.

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