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Old 09/07/07, 6:45 PM   #691
Grondarg
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Lightning's Blade
I was testing out different specs with my gear and I found a possible bug. My current 18/43/0 spec is built with Endurance Training instead of imp AotH. If i move the 5 points in ET to Imp AotH my total dps actually drops from 1032.49 to 988.07. Since one has no effect on damage and the other is proc based there shouldnt be a difference. i get the same result when trying a 5/21/35 build i'm considering. I'm currently using version 22 of the spreadsheet.


I also have a feature request. Is it possible to add a page that calculates time to mana exhaustion? I know that you have one on the shot rotation page but that doesn't account for pot usage. Basically I would like to be able to see how long i can extend my mana pool accounting for mp5, pot usage timer, and shot rotation.

thanks

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Old 09/08/07, 12:09 AM   #692
Cheeky
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Cheeky
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Originally Posted by Grondarg View Post
I was testing out different specs with my gear and I found a possible bug. My current 18/43/0 spec is built with Endurance Training instead of imp AotH. If i move the 5 points in ET to Imp AotH my total dps actually drops from 1032.49 to 988.07. Since one has no effect on damage and the other is proc based there shouldnt be a difference. i get the same result when trying a 5/21/35 build i'm considering. I'm currently using version 22 of the spreadsheet.
What rotation have you specified for Quick Shots? Most MM Hunters will see a DPS drop if they switch from a 1:1.5 rotation to a 1:1 rotation with Quick Shots.


Originally Posted by Grondarg View Post
I also have a feature request. Is it possible to add a page that calculates time to mana exhaustion? I know that you have one on the shot rotation page but that doesn't account for pot usage. Basically I would like to be able to see how long i can extend my mana pool accounting for mp5, pot usage timer, and shot rotation.

thanks
Yeah, I'll work on that.


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Old 09/09/07, 10:43 AM   #693
Grondarg
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Lightning's Blade
Originally Posted by Cheeky View Post
What rotation have you specified for Quick Shots? Most MM Hunters will see a DPS drop if they switch from a 1:1.5 rotation to a 1:1 rotation with Quick Shots.
Well that would explain it. It never occured to me that the quick shots tab was used for that. I sort of assumed that it was for testing a shot rotation while Quick Shots was active. Sorry for the misinformation then. Should the quick shots tab be used for all shot rotation testing only if you have imp Hawk instead of the shot rotation tab?




Yeah, I'll work on that.
Thanks.

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Old 09/09/07, 12:52 PM   #694
rockyourjon
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Bleeding Hollow
Although it wasn't listed in the changes, I've noticed a difference in the DPS calculations for armor negation between version 27 and 28. I'm just curious what the math is now (it doesn't list the armor of the target as it did previously, I used to set it at 8000) and how good of an indicator it is. For example, for a 41/20/0 BM hunter like myself it currently says that Gronnstalker's Spauldors (w/ 10crit / 7agi gems) are about on par for DPS with Mantle of the Tireless Tracker, which I find strange. I would've imagined Blizzard intended Tier 6 to do more damage.

My guild is just starting to clear Black Temple/Hyjal, and I'm trying to pick out the gear I want before it drops, and I use a lot of the information on these forums and the spreadsheets to make decisions. Doing my best to be an informed PVE hunter.

Edit: I'm a huge noob, I just realized that all you did was move the location of that field (it's in the settings tab now, not the gear tab). The math looks more accurate now.

Last edited by rockyourjon : 09/09/07 at 1:08 PM.

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Old 09/11/07, 3:37 AM   #695
Ernesti
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Balnazzar (EU)
Hey Cheeky, great spreadsheet. One suggestion though, could it be possible to add other BM hunters and their pets FI to the group buffs?

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Old 09/11/07, 12:28 PM   #696
Sylvarielle
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Kirin Tor (EU)
Using the spreadsheet on a French version of Excel

Hello,

I cannot open any of those spreadsheets, because they are encoded using a password that contains characters that are not recognized by the French version of Excel. Excel just prompts an error message whenever I try to open them. Is it possible to encode them with a password that is more international ? Thanks ^^

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Old 09/11/07, 12:35 PM   #697
Cheeky
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Cheeky
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Originally Posted by Sylvarielle View Post
Hello,

I cannot open any of those spreadsheets, because they are encoded using a password that contains characters that are not recognized by the French version of Excel. Excel just prompts an error message whenever I try to open them. Is it possible to encode them with a password that is more international ? Thanks ^^
Can you tell how to do that? I only have access to Excel 2003 for English. I have no way to test what you are looking for.


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Old 09/11/07, 12:46 PM   #698
Sylvarielle
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Kirin Tor (EU)
Originally Posted by Cheeky View Post
Can you tell how to do that? I only have access to Excel 2003 for English. I have no way to test what you are looking for.
mmmmh... I have no idea ? I can only assume that your spreadsheet is password protected (so that your calculations or formulas are not tampered with) and that the password you chose contains non UTF-8 characters, which could pose a problem for my little Excel.

Thanks for the fast answer however. Don't sweat it if you can't make it work, the spreadsheet looked like a pretty useful tool though ^^

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Old 09/12/07, 5:57 AM   #699
Jaade
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Kirin Tor (EU)
Using french excel and the spreadsheet works fine here (no password asked). Sylv you might want to check your security options (I'm no excel expert ^^).

Great tool, thanks a lot Cheeky.

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Old 09/12/07, 6:53 AM   #700
Raba_Storm
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Dunemaul (EU)
In continuation to Post #637

Just downloaded version 28, and I'm still experiencing the same problem with incorrect data of item [Violet Signet of the Master Assassin]

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Old 09/12/07, 9:07 AM   #701
Tiberium
Von Kaiser
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Dragonblight (EU)
Just a quick note re version 28 spreadsheet.

The [Fel Edged Battleaxe] is listed however there is no option to add the gem to the socket. As I assume you are continually reviewing just thought I'd let you know.

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Old 09/12/07, 9:17 PM   #702
Koroshiya
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Human Death Knight
 
Ysondre
I did a few searches for 'hunter's gear guide' and 'hunter excel gear list' and came up empty on both regards...

I have looked at Cheeky's excel sheet and it's pretty neat but for someone just hitting 70 and not familiar with the plethora of gear options.. a simple gear ranking sheet would be extremely helpful. Is there something I am not finding because of my search parameters?

I know the rogues have an excellent gear ranking guide based of AEP, MAEP, DAEP, etc.. I used it a whole lot making my rogue and it truly helped immensely. Is there something comparable for hunters?

If there's not would anyone be interested in working with me to create one? I have the template done for one, just need some help adjusting the weight of stats in order to get an appropriate AEP rating for hunters.

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Old 09/12/07, 11:01 PM   #703
Kaber
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Tauren Druid
 
Stormreaver
Originally Posted by Koroshiya View Post
I did a few searches for 'hunter's gear guide' and 'hunter excel gear list' and came up empty on both regards...

I have looked at Cheeky's excel sheet and it's pretty neat but for someone just hitting 70 and not familiar with the plethora of gear options.. a simple gear ranking sheet would be extremely helpful. Is there something I am not finding because of my search parameters?

I know the rogues have an excellent gear ranking guide based of AEP, MAEP, DAEP, etc.. I used it a whole lot making my rogue and it truly helped immensely. Is there something comparable for hunters?

If there's not would anyone be interested in working with me to create one? I have the template done for one, just need some help adjusting the weight of stats in order to get an appropriate AEP rating for hunters.
Go to the armory, click a slot you want to upgrade and a list of everything that you could possibly upgrade to pops up.

The problem with trying to create a spread sheet for this (which you can find here by the way) is that the entire thing is spec, gear, and stat dependent, so there is no list that will tell you what's best for you unless you happen to have whatever spec and gear everything was modeled off of. If this were to be done it would need to be a spreadsheet with close to the same level of complexity as Cheeky's spread sheet. You would have to be able to enter spec, current stats/gear, pet, among other things and base the weighed outcomes on Arcazua's AEP 2.0 values to get something that would be accurate for everyone.

Last edited by Kaber : 09/12/07 at 11:08 PM.

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Old 09/12/07, 11:33 PM   #704
Koroshiya
Von Kaiser
 
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Human Death Knight
 
Ysondre
Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for.

I understand that it's not perfect but it's certainly easier to rank gear on a first run based off AEP then it is to try and put everything all together at once. For someone like me who is running things as groups can be found.. it's nice to be able to pull up quick upgrades.. and personally the armory upgrade recommendations are flat out wrong most of the time from my experience.

I am not a newbie.. just not been a hunter before, so I am trying to find some equivalences between what I am used to and the new class to hopefully make the migration easier.

However, with that being said, that was the information I was attempting to find and I appreciate it!

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Old 09/13/07, 12:50 AM   #705
Kaber
King Hippo
 
Tauren Druid
 
Stormreaver
At the very least I would highly recommend using the AEP 2.0 values for your build, then cross referencing your point totals with what you find in Khanate's gear sheet. I have used Khanate's sheet in the past, but I found if I was going to the trouble to calculate my AEP values for my build, pulling up the calculator, plugging everything in, then referencing its actual relative value for my build - I was better off just plugging the piece of gear into Cheeky's spread sheet to see how it actually affected my damage.

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