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Old 05/28/08, 2:20 PM   #2126
peterk0
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Ahn'Qiraj (EU)
Originally Posted by Gearknight View Post
Scroll up 10 posts. Things that you can test yourself for the cost of a few gold and 10 minutes don't need supporting data.
Well I know about the 12 damage (Fel Stone), and yes, it's easily tested, but never seen anything about the crit (Adamantite Stone), which isn't so obvious.

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Old 05/28/08, 2:43 PM   #2127
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Originally Posted by peterk0 View Post
Well I know about the 12 damage (Fel Stone), and yes, it's easily tested, but never seen anything about the crit (Adamantite Stone), which isn't so obvious.
The crit bonus from [Adamantite Sharpening Stone] no longer applies to ranged weapons.

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Old 05/28/08, 5:44 PM   #2128
Dranak
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Bonechewer
I'm running into some errors with the new Open Office version (49). Whenever I try to import from the armory, recalc, or click any of the buttons, I get a "BASIC runtime error. Sub-procedure or function procedure not defined."

Last edited by Dranak : 05/28/08 at 9:25 PM. Reason: Spelling

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Old 05/28/08, 6:26 PM   #2129
alienangel
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Originally Posted by Praxx View Post
The crit bonus from [Adamantite Sharpening Stone] no longer applies to ranged weapons.
The crit bonus from [Adamantite Weightstone] supposedly does though.

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Old 05/28/08, 9:24 PM   #2130
KraxisSingular
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Runetotem (EU)
Originally Posted by alienangel View Post
The crit bonus from [Adamantite Weightstone] supposedly does though.
Yay... we deal blunt damage.

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Old 05/29/08, 12:45 PM   #2131
alienangel
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Originally Posted by KraxisSingular View Post
Yay... we deal blunt damage.
:P

It does make sense though, since the tooltip only mentions adding critical strike rating, not melee critical strike rating like the other stones. The +dmg doesn't apply to ranged, and that's the only part of the stone that applies to "blunt" weapons.

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Old 05/29/08, 4:18 PM   #2132
Tsook
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I believe it. Thottbot (which still has better datamined buff information than wowhead):

Adamantite Weightstone - Thottbot: World of Warcraft - item
Weight Weapon - Thottbot: World of Warcraft - spell it casts
Increased Critical 14 - Thottbot: World of Warcraft - "increased critical 14"

says both melee and ranged

Whereas the Adamantite Sharpening Stone says

Sharpen Blade - Thottbot: World of Warcraft

increased melee critical.

Impossible to tell from this information about the +damage part, but we have a screenshot confirming that behavior for the sharpening stone.

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Old 05/29/08, 5:54 PM   #2133
Gearknight
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Kul Tiras
I can confirm that the 12 damage from adamantite weightstones applies to ranged attacks, and that the 14 crit rating is applied to ranged attacks on the character screen.

Without weighstone: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/dloran2/ww...908_155817.jpg

With weightstone: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/dloran2/ww...908_155716.jpg

Last edited by Gearknight : 05/29/08 at 6:00 PM.

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Old 05/29/08, 6:06 PM   #2134
Wunlastri
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Would I have to choose this over Righteous Weapon Coating or mana Oils? I've never used stones before as I was under the assumption they were always useless.

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Old 05/29/08, 6:09 PM   #2135
Gearknight
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Kul Tiras
From best to worst:

Righteous Weapon Coating (1 only)
Adamantite Weightstone (fist/staff only)
Fel Sharpening Stone (no difference from the more expensive adamantite version)
Superior Mana Oil

You only want to use 1 RWC because if you use 2, they'll just share the same internal cooldown.

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Old 05/29/08, 6:13 PM   #2136
Wunlastri
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I have the felspine so I'll stick with RWC, but get some stones for when I'm out of SWP.

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Old 05/30/08, 10:13 AM   #2137
KraxisSingular
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Originally Posted by Gearknight View Post
I can confirm that the 12 damage from adamantite weightstones applies to ranged attacks, and that the 14 crit rating is applied to ranged attacks on the character screen.

Without weighstone: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/dloran2/ww...908_155817.jpg

With weightstone: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/dloran2/ww...908_155716.jpg
Haha... Well this is quite absurd. And godly at the same time too.

Too bad I'm sitting around with a polearm and I am mostly hurting for mana on longer encounters. But the cheapness and the immediate effect of this will make it a viable daily grinding buff. And lets not forget that it should affect Steady Shot as well. Pretty awesome.

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Old 05/30/08, 8:33 PM   #2138
Gromdal
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Quel'Thalas (EU)
Originally Posted by Dranak View Post
I'm running into some errors with the new Open Office version (49). Whenever I try to import from the armory, recalc, or click any of the buttons, I get a "BASIC runtime error. Sub-procedure or function procedure not defined."
I too am getting this, in addition with OO I'm also not getting the correct listings in the gem selection drop downs, instead getting a mixed list of modifiers, weapons, gear and some gem selections.

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Old 05/31/08, 9:59 AM   #2139
Dranak
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Originally Posted by Gromdal View Post
I too am getting this, in addition with OO I'm also not getting the correct listings in the gem selection drop downs, instead getting a mixed list of modifiers, weapons, gear and some gem selections.
I figured it out, we needed to update to the most current version of OO. It's working fine for me after updating my OO.

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Old 05/31/08, 2:41 PM   #2140
Shamiri
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Wildhammer (EU)
Excel 2007 problem

Hi guys,

1st of all, this is an awesome product. Thank you for the effort you put into it. I've been using it the last couple of weeks to get my Surv Spec DPS up by about 120 dps.

I have a problem with the sheet in excel 2007 though. Because it is encrypted and not signed, after I've saved it and reopen it Excel wont allow the macros to run. Do you have any suggestions/advice for me?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 05/31/08, 3:14 PM   #2141
peterk0
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Originally Posted by Shamiri View Post
Hi guys,

1st of all, this is an awesome product. Thank you for the effort you put into it. I've been using it the last couple of weeks to get my Surv Spec DPS up by about 120 dps.

I have a problem with the sheet in excel 2007 though. Because it is encrypted and not signed, after I've saved it and reopen it Excel wont allow the macros to run. Do you have any suggestions/advice for me?

Thanks in advance.
Yes, I have. Don't save it in excel 2007 format, but in compatibilty format (excel 97-2003), as that's the one it was created/shipped in.

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Old 05/31/08, 3:24 PM   #2142
Bovii
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Maelstrom
Just dual wield a fist weapon and you can use both the weighted stone and the righteous weapon coating.

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Old 06/01/08, 5:07 AM   #2143
Kaji-Boulderfist
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I feel like an idiot having to ask because I can usually find this stuff by looking over the past threads.

On the Gear Planner tab, When should I use "based on +0 hit" and when should I use "based on Current hit" I have Forest Prowler's helm and Vengeful Chain helm. I'm currently at 130 HR with Forest Prowlers, 142 with Vengeful. When I sort based on Current Hit, Forest Prowler is #2 and Vengeful is #4. When I sort based on Zero hit, Vengeful is #3 and Forest Prowler is #4. Ok, I figured since Vengeful puts me over the Hit cap that I should use Current hit from the Drop-down and that should mean that Forest Prowler's is better as my current helm. When I go over to the gear tab and compare them side by side It shows Vengeful helm as being the better of the two by about 4 dps, The same as Gear planner set to base on +0 HR.

Another question. The spreadsheets that I have a 42.88% chance to crit with all buffs. I'm sure I have everything set right, All my usual buffs, all my pets usual buffs, but my character sheet has never shown me having anywhere near 42.88 crit chance. I've had it up to 39% a few times but never above 40. Also, I don't think any of my WWS reports have shown me over 40% either.

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Old 06/01/08, 10:13 AM   #2144
tappi
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[Vicious Hawkstrider Hauberk], [Thalassian Ranger Gauntlets], [Coif of Alleria], [Cloak of Unforgivable Sin], [Crux of the Apocalypse] and [Hand of the Deceiver] are missing from the spreadsheet and the [Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury] dropped so the stats should be updated.

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Old 06/01/08, 10:21 AM   #2145
Aerevyn
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Emerald Dream (EU)
Originally Posted by Kaji-Boulderfist View Post
I feel like an idiot having to ask because I can usually find this stuff by looking over the past threads.

On the Gear Planner tab, When should I use "based on +0 hit" and when should I use "based on Current hit" I have Forest Prowler's helm and Vengeful Chain helm. I'm currently at 130 HR with Forest Prowlers, 142 with Vengeful. When I sort based on Current Hit, Forest Prowler is #2 and Vengeful is #4. When I sort based on Zero hit, Vengeful is #3 and Forest Prowler is #4. Ok, I figured since Vengeful puts me over the Hit cap that I should use Current hit from the Drop-down and that should mean that Forest Prowler's is better as my current helm. When I go over to the gear tab and compare them side by side It shows Vengeful helm as being the better of the two by about 4 dps, The same as Gear planner set to base on +0 HR.

Another question. The spreadsheets that I have a 42.88% chance to crit with all buffs. I'm sure I have everything set right, All my usual buffs, all my pets usual buffs, but my character sheet has never shown me having anywhere near 42.88 crit chance. I've had it up to 39% a few times but never above 40. Also, I don't think any of my WWS reports have shown me over 40% either.
Based on 0 hit: Gear is calculated as if you had 0 hit rating (thus making hit rating a valuable stat)
Based on Current Hit: Gear is calculated based on current hit rating (thus making hit rating useless if you are already capped).

You'll probably be better off with Vengeful but FP is better if you can get that hit rating from somewhere else.

As for your other question, the crit shown on spreadsheet is your effective crit, not paperdoll (character sheet) crit%.
This is inclusive of things like Paladin Judgement (+3%), Master Tactician (varies, about 2.5-3.5%), boss defence level (-0.6%) etc. Your character sheet does not display these things.

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Old 06/01/08, 4:16 PM   #2146
dragonskin
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Lightning's Blade (EU)
Originally Posted by tappi View Post
Would be great
I will have to choose for 2 mail items that my hunters get priority on, above all hybrids.
Including golden forest shoulders and starstalkers. ..Maybe someone already checked which item is the highest upgrade from T6 / bow-stitched ? What would you do?


Also, i have to join the others on this one: The gear planner needs to take the hit into account on the item it is sorting.
example: With 142 hitrating, it puts the Madness trinket on #8 but doesnt take into accounnt that if you would replace it with any above, the 20 hitrating would be lost and thus make it ~top3.

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Old 06/01/08, 6:36 PM   #2147
Scio
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Originally Posted by dragonskin View Post
Would be great
I will have to choose for 2 mail items that my hunters get priority on, above all hybrids.
Including golden forest shoulders and starstalkers. ..Maybe someone already checked which item is the highest upgrade from T6 / bow-stitched ? What would you do?


Also, i have to join the others on this one: The gear planner needs to take the hit into account on the item it is sorting.
example: With 142 hitrating, it puts the Madness trinket on #8 but doesnt take into accounnt that if you would replace it with any above, the 20 hitrating would be lost and thus make it ~top3.
All I can help you with is that you do not want [Thalassian Ranger Gauntlets] since you gain more from the 4set GS bonus. The GS gloves are the best pre-sunwell tier piece.

Personally I would grab [Mantle of the Golden Forest] and [Cloak of Unforgivable Sin]. Those are kinda sure thing items since they dont have any INT

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Old 06/01/08, 7:57 PM   #2148
Dch48
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Draka
Flaws in V49?

I don't think the Gear Planner or Calc attributes are working right. I have the Jin'Rohk sword equipped and no DST. The gear planner lists the sword as #3 and does not even list DST in the top 10 trinkets even though it increases the dps on the gear tab when plugged in by more than the Tsunami Talisman does which is on the list. If I plug in DST on the gear page and do the calc attributes, the sword drops completely off the list in the gear planner and the DST then will show up in the trinkets list.

Also, I would like to see the gear go back to being in alphabetical order in the drop down on the gear page instead of being scrambled in an order which isn't even accurate for dps.

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Old 06/01/08, 9:08 PM   #2149
Dch48
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Draka
More info

If I do the calc attributes with the Jin'Rohk equipped, it drops from #3 to #9 and the Trollbane is ranked higher. When I go back to the Gear page and plug in Trollbane, the dps drops the same as before I did the calc. This is very confusing. Also when I plug in any one of the 2H weapons that have haste, the dps rating for the DST goes down and it drops off the list in the planner. How can I tell which gear is better when these kind of things happen? Is the Jin'Rohk better than Trollbane and the Twinblade of the Phoenix, or isn't it? And is the DST a trinket I should use or not? Even when it drops off the list, it still gives more dps on the gear tab than other trinkets that are on the list.

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Old 06/02/08, 4:47 AM   #2150
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Read the thread, please. Cheeky stated that the Gear Planner currently doesn't take the 40 AP on the DST into account, so it's showing up much lower than it should be.

The gear on the gear tab shows up in the order it's on the gear planner tab. If you click 'alphabetize' on the gear planner tab, then it will be alphabetical on the gear tab too.

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